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Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their nimbyism is silly. Nothing is going to hold back this next period. The entire planet will be connected soon and that's when the internet moves out of alpha and into beta. Complaining about a few thousand satellites will seem quant in ten years :P

"The entire planet will be connected soon"... but WHY ???? To allow Facebook (and SV) dream of selling ads all around the world ??? Does the world need it ? Does the world even ask for it ? Sure, I like internet... but only WHERE and WHEN I want to, not anytime and everywhere !

A significant portion of the planet's popularion still doesn't have access to reliable high-speed internet in their homes, let alone where they want to.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Amazon always claims to focus on its customers, and ignore its competitors, this is supposed to be an important facet of the "Its always Day 1" philosophy. These actions, along with Amazon's complaints about Jedi contract seem to imply that amazon has now entered day 2. PS: I understand that the circumstances around the Jedi contract are different. I'm just trying to make a point that Amazon is now focussing more on…

Here is the actual ex parte filing: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Amazo... It is quite short and basically alleges SpaceX failed to fulfill various requirements when filing its amendment. Mainly, it alleges SpaceX submitted two different configuration options and the Commission's rules require them to settle on a single configuration option to submit. Are those legitimate allegations? I have…

https://fcc.report/IBFS/SAT-AMD-20210818-00105/12943361

"In Configuration 1—SpaceX’s preferred scenario—the amendment proposed herein would revise the pending application in three main respects to fully leverage these new capabilities:

1. SpaceX will more evenly spread capacity by latitude by targeting multiple inclinations, ensuring better, more consistent global coverage even as it continues to operate at lower, more sustainable altitudes than most other NGSO systems.

2.SpaceX will nearly double the number of satellites deployed in a sun-synchronous orbit optimized for key throughput demand times and service to Polar Regions, resulting in additional capacity for those chronically underserved areas such as Alaska.

3.The revised orbital planes will enable “single plane” launch campaigns, not requiring long dwell times in a low parking orbit waiting for orbital precession to spread satellites into other planes. These satellites can launch, be checked out at low altitude, and can all quickly go to their on-station positions.

Configuration 2 utilizes a smaller number of satellites per plane than Configuration 1, yet also spreads capacity more evenly by latitude for more consistent coverage across the globe. Neither configuration requests any additional spectrum or results in a significant increase in the potential for interference to any other spectrum user, including other NGSO licensees and current applicants. Although SpaceX proposes to rearrange the orbital parameters of its Gen2 System, it will slightly reduce the number of satellites in the constellation. Moreover, SpaceX will continue to leverage the inherent advantages of operating at lower altitudes than most NGSO constellations. Not only will atmospheric drag at these altitudes ensure that any debris quickly disintegrates in the atmosphere and pose no further danger to space operations or life on the ground, but operation at these altitudes is also consistent with a key recommendation from the astronomical community to minimize any effect on astronomical observations. "

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Amazon always claims to focus on its customers, and ignore its competitors, this is supposed to be an important facet of the "Its always Day 1" philosophy. These actions, along with Amazon's complaints about Jedi contract seem to imply that amazon has now entered day 2. PS: I understand that the circumstances around the Jedi contract are different. I'm just trying to make a point that Amazon is now focussing more on…

Amazon entered Day 2 as while back. Its customer service has been a shadow of its former self for years now. It also took them years to resolve the problems stemming from commingling their inventory with 3rd parties.

From what I read on HN, its customer service must be very variable regionally. In the UK, I often knowingly pay more to buy from Amazon, because it continues to be my experience that if something goes wrong or isn't up to scratch, worst case they'll refund and send Hermes to collect it, no questions asked.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you buy things like high end bike parts on Walmart? Or addidas running shoes? Honest question

If you know exactly what you want, you're better off going directly to the company's website or a retailer specialized in that category. Pretty much every such company has e-commerce these days and the risk of getting scammed is basically zero.

I’ve tried doing that. I often end back buying it from Amazon. Why? The company is often selling for the same price, with an outsized shipping charge, longer delivery time, and no free returns.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you buy things like high end bike parts on Walmart? Or addidas running shoes? Honest question

If you know exactly what you want, you're better off going directly to the company's website or a retailer specialized in that category. Pretty much every such company has e-commerce these days and the risk of getting scammed is basically zero.

Not when shipping, and ease of returns in the event of a problem are considered.

I don't mean to shill Amazon, I'd like direct to be as good; it's just rarely close in my experience.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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I hope the war between Musk and Bezos eventually gets adopted into a poorly conceived movie or TV mini series.

I think Hollywood already made the Musk vs. Bezos movie: "Alien vs. Predator"

Or Dumb and Dumber

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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A good friend of Bezos' (like his brother maybe) needs to pull him aside and tell him how pathetic and sad this tactic is making him look. He's ruining his reputation among people he needs to recruit, like engineers, who might not otherwise fall for the false Bezos-is-mustache-twirling-capitalist narrative. Bezos actually seems to be a fairly good person with good motivations in general. But he's also extremely compe…

I'm not so sure that dichotomy holds up. Jobs and Musk may have outcompeted their rivals, but both have been notorious for taking advantage of employees as well as anti-competitive practices in multiple cases. Not to mention Musk taking advantage of customers with misleading and at times unsafe products like self driving.

they also inspire employees with an appealing vision of the future

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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post #49

Amazon always claims to focus on its customers, and ignore its competitors, this is supposed to be an important facet of the "Its always Day 1" philosophy. These actions, along with Amazon's complaints about Jedi contract seem to imply that amazon has now entered day 2. PS: I understand that the circumstances around the Jedi contract are different. I'm just trying to make a point that Amazon is now focussing more on…

Amazon entered Day 2 as while back. Its customer service has been a shadow of its former self for years now. It also took them years to resolve the problems stemming from commingling their inventory with 3rd parties.

I have lost faith in Amazon a while ago. I base my opinion on their amazon.com online shopping experience. The ratings are regularly gamed, the "Amazon's Choice" label is completely unreliable, the quality of products sold by Amazon under their own brand (Amazon Basics) is highly suspect, they're not price competitive any more, I won't buy baby or health care products due to poor warehousing practices and commingled inventory. Several years ago shopping at amazon.com meant you'd likely get a price competitive, good quality product with reliable reviews. Sadly that situation doesn't exist any more.

Re: Amazon asked FCC to reject Starlink plan because it can’t compete, SpaceX says

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This seems on par with the process - SpaceX submits a proposal that is open for public scrutiny, and Amazon, which has the incentives to do so, submits feedback on that proposal. Whether the feedback/concerns from Amazon are warranted, that’s up to the FCC to decide. If they decide incorrectly, that’s when I’d start to bring the torches.

This isn't on par with the process. Amazon don't want Spacex's application to even reach the public's commenting phase. From the article:

> Amazon's request would prevent the commission from seeking public comment on SpaceX's application, SpaceX said. "The commission should recognize this gambit for the obstructionist tactic that it is, reject Amazon's request, and quickly put the amendment out for public comment," SpaceX said. The public-comment process will allow "any issues [to] be fully vetted," SpaceX said.

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