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Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by yellowapple »

bastardoperator wrote: post #48
lostapathy wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I desperately want this to succeed as well. Enough that I've got a preorder that's supposed to ship this week. I'm willing to take the gamble. Sometimes you have to help fund the change you want to see in the world.

I can't see this succeeding when the laptop I have to assemble myself costs more than a prebuilt laptop with much better specs. I love the idea too, but the price seems a little outrageous.

If Framework succeeds, then that upfront cost would eventually pay for itself as you perpetually upgrade the hardware rather than buy an entirely new laptop every time you want e.g. more RAM. Not to mention that as this catches on and Framework finds its footing, I'd fully expect the prices to come down with better economies of scale.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#162

Post by astockwell »

vasco wrote: post #159
omegalulw wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1 L/min is 1 L/min, and it's not a great sacrifice to turn off a faucet when you don't need it. So even if the farmer is not judiciously using water, it doesn't mean you shouldn't.

You should take a look at Ahmdal's law. "Every little bit helps" type thinking is a detriment to the fixing of most problems that should be tackled on the biggest contributing factors first, always. This is a rule of optimisation that can be extended for most other things.

While that is true in the theoretical, it ignores human psychology. For example the Debt Snowball method has been so widely successful for ignoring precisely this black&white pragmatism.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by poetaster »

varispeed wrote: post #81
filereaper wrote: post #37

I see the founder @nrp replying to a few comments here. @nrp, can you comment on upcoming models? Would love to have a 15" or 17" model with the same swappable ports but with a beefier processor and much larger memory capacities. The larger frames might allow for more ports, but I'm not sure if you're limited by the number of PCIe lanes on these processors. I think a Ryzen offering would also be welcomed. Lastly than…

I would also ask for a better keyboard. The one currently offered (at least with the model I am interested in), is not fit for purpose when it comes to development.

Ditto trackpoint. Thinkpad junkie who cannot work without.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#164

Post by ncallaway »

ddtaylor wrote: post #27
nrp wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a blog post on our company blog. We used to write them weekly to share more detail on different parts of the hardware and systems we're building, but took a pause as we worked through launch. We're now starting back up. We don't post these directly anywhere but our own website, email lists, and social channels, and I assume throwawaysea (who doesn't seem to be a throwaway account) is subscribed to one of those.

That's okay. You're free to write whatever you want on your blog and others are free to submit it here to HN. Even if you submit it yourself I don't see that as a problem. My comment is that there really isn't much of substance in the article. It's very short and doesn't contain much information in it. I like the Framework laptop, but I think this post doesn't do a lot. Best of luck!

> My comment is that there really isn't much of substance in the article. It's very short and doesn't contain much information in it.

I agree that it's short, but I found the information very useful.

I've ordered a framework laptop (expected to be delivered today, if FedEx plays nice), and was really excited to read the content of the email. It's super helpful in deciding which linux distro I want to start out with, and has links to the forum threads where people are sorting out support for each distro.

Exactly the kind of content I need as I start down the path of getting the laptop setup.

So +1 for short, but I strongly disagree that the post doesn't contain much information.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#165

Post by poetaster »

commoner wrote: post #84
filereaper wrote: post #37

I see the founder @nrp replying to a few comments here. @nrp, can you comment on upcoming models? Would love to have a 15" or 17" model with the same swappable ports but with a beefier processor and much larger memory capacities. The larger frames might allow for more ports, but I'm not sure if you're limited by the number of PCIe lanes on these processors. I think a Ryzen offering would also be welcomed. Lastly than…

If the Framework Laptop had a keyboard option with a TrackPoint-style pointing stick (and 3 physical mouse buttons between the keys and the touchpad), it would be a very strong contender against ThinkPads. Lenovo has handicapped recent ThinkPad models with soldered memory, and the TrackPoint is their only remaining unique feature. Framework community discussion: https://community.frame.work/t/any-chance-of-trackpoint

Do lenovo really control those? I thought they were expired HP patents?

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#166

Post by poetaster »

commoner wrote: post #84
filereaper wrote: post #37

I see the founder @nrp replying to a few comments here. @nrp, can you comment on upcoming models? Would love to have a 15" or 17" model with the same swappable ports but with a beefier processor and much larger memory capacities. The larger frames might allow for more ports, but I'm not sure if you're limited by the number of PCIe lanes on these processors. I think a Ryzen offering would also be welcomed. Lastly than…

If the Framework Laptop had a keyboard option with a TrackPoint-style pointing stick (and 3 physical mouse buttons between the keys and the touchpad), it would be a very strong contender against ThinkPads. Lenovo has handicapped recent ThinkPad models with soldered memory, and the TrackPoint is their only remaining unique feature. Framework community discussion: https://community.frame.work/t/any-chance-of-trackpoint

Oh, yes, lenovo, via ibm but expired 2017.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by spacebear »

tylerscott wrote: post #43

I am currently using the DIY version running Ubuntu. I absolutely love this laptop. It had been awhile since I built a computer (let alone a laptop). The DIY kit instructions and the construction of the machine itself are very well thought out. I am very excited for a future where we can measure the lifespan of our personal electronics in decades rather than months. Congrats to the Framework team!

Likewise. I'm running Pop!_OS on mine. When I pre-ordered, I figured there was a 50/50 chance the thing would even ship. But it shipped exactly when they said it would, and it's fantastic. I'm very impressed with Framework so far.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#169

Post by dahfizz »

vasco wrote: post #159
omegalulw wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1 L/min is 1 L/min, and it's not a great sacrifice to turn off a faucet when you don't need it. So even if the farmer is not judiciously using water, it doesn't mean you shouldn't.

You should take a look at Ahmdal's law. "Every little bit helps" type thinking is a detriment to the fixing of most problems that should be tackled on the biggest contributing factors first, always. This is a rule of optimisation that can be extended for most other things.

Ahmdal's law lets you calculate the theoretical speedup of a job given how parallelize-able it is. I don't see how that is applicable here.

If the government was spending millions of dollars on ad campaigns to try to get people to use their faucet less, but they were not dealing with wasteful farmers, you may have an argument. But to say that people _shouldn't_ conserve resources just because they aren't the largest consumer of the given resource is ridiculous. Me being conscientious of how much water I waste from my faucet doesn't slow progress in dealing with the larger water wasters. There is no reason not to do it.

> fixing of most problems that should be tackled on the biggest contributing factors first, always

This only applies if you can only fix one factor at a time. That is never the case in real world, complex, societal issues. Society is not a computer science puzzle.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#170

Post by spacebear »

pkulak wrote: post #67
tylerscott wrote: post #43

I am currently using the DIY version running Ubuntu. I absolutely love this laptop. It had been awhile since I built a computer (let alone a laptop). The DIY kit instructions and the construction of the machine itself are very well thought out. I am very excited for a future where we can measure the lifespan of our personal electronics in decades rather than months. Congrats to the Framework team!

How do you deal with the screen resolution? Do you have to run it at 1.5x? And, if so, what's the fractional scaling experience like?

I find the 3000x2000 mode mentioned here works well: https://community.frame.work/t/using-elementary-os-on-the-fr...
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