This is one of those things that makes me feel like the battle is not lost yet. In a world where companies go out of their way to make you unable to actually own the hardware you buy, we are desperately in need for this.
@nrp, is there any estimate about when will we be able to buy this in South America?
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Europe, I get 2 years of warranty in stuff that I buy here regularly. (Not sure how the terms translate, and there are more details, roughly: 1 year is a warranty where the supplier has to prove that the defect is not their fault, second year it is the other way round. In practice, if stuff breaks in the first 2 years that is no obviously the user mishandling the device, you get a free repair.)
Here it's cheaper to import 2 of something than to buy locally, so warranty is usually a non-factor for me. But, in general it's a good reason to avoid forwarding services (especially if your part of the world has strong consumer protections like Europe typically does).
How does that not mostly arbitrage itself away? i.e. import two as you say and stick one on eBay or whatever's popular?
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a Purism laptop, over 2 years old now so out of warranty. The USB system had a problem last month. Purism shipped me a new motherboard at cost within a few days. I happily swapped out the old motherboard (a bit fiddly in places, but perfectly straightforward). Laptop is fine, I'm typing this on it now. I've had problems with Dells before - if it's out of warranty then tough, nothing we can do. I had a screen f…
But replacing a whole motherboard just to fix a few usb ports?
I'm no hardware expert, but I gather the USB2 subsystem had failed, and that required the motherboard replacement. Made sense to me.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
I desperately want this to succeed as well. Enough that I've got a preorder that's supposed to ship this week. I'm willing to take the gamble. Sometimes you have to help fund the change you want to see in the world.
I can't see this succeeding when the laptop I have to assemble myself costs more than a prebuilt laptop with much better specs. I love the idea too, but the price seems a little outrageous.
> I can't see this succeeding when the laptop I have to assemble myself costs more than a prebuilt laptop with much better specs.
I mean, if all that mattered were specs, we would all be running desktops at full desktop-class TDP. Or laptops made out of cheap bendy plastic with the latest CPUs.
Ergonomics matter, build quality matters, and for some the ability to adapt and upgrade is also part of the spec.
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#65Will there be an option for a different keyboard?
It's been some 10 years since everyone seemed to have settled on the "chiclet" style keyboards, to my own sadness
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a Purism laptop, over 2 years old now so out of warranty. The USB system had a problem last month. Purism shipped me a new motherboard at cost within a few days. I happily swapped out the old motherboard (a bit fiddly in places, but perfectly straightforward). Laptop is fine, I'm typing this on it now. I've had problems with Dells before - if it's out of warranty then tough, nothing we can do. I had a screen f…
But replacing a whole motherboard just to fix a few usb ports?
That's the downside of such integrated components. The upside is cheaper manufacturing, cheaper less assembly, less power draw, and less physical space.
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#67I am currently using the DIY version running Ubuntu. I absolutely love this laptop. It had been awhile since I built a computer (let alone a laptop). The DIY kit instructions and the construction of the machine itself are very well thought out. I am very excited for a future where we can measure the lifespan of our personal electronics in decades rather than months. Congrats to the Framework team!
How do you deal with the screen resolution? Do you have to run it at 1.5x? And, if so, what's the fractional scaling experience like?
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#68Will there be an option for a different keyboard? It's been some 10 years since everyone seemed to have settled on the "chiclet" style keyboards, to my own sadness
Just waiting on my pipe dream for an ergonomic keyboard on a laptop. #badwrists.
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#69“ There has been immense interest in this configuration, with it outselling pre-configured systems with Windows 10 by a wide margin.” There is a market.
Most people probably just want to buy Windows for less than full price.
True. But when you have to install Windows on it yourself, a non-zero number of folks will probably end up giving Linux a try, cus why not? It's always been a huge barrier for Linux that it's WAY more work to get going, when your computer shows up with Windows already on it.
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Pruism, Framework, System76 - I think it's less about whether the market is big enough, but more about other effects that allow you to survive in smaller niches. I think today it is just became cheaper for sample companies to offer laptops that can compete with the big names. The Clevo machines of old looked really bad next to a MacBook, today, while still less nice, they are flat and light and minimal as well.
> Pruism, Framework, System76 If there's anything that the past 20 years of American Capitalism has taught us: these companies should all merge, integrate their hardware and software, and then get a bunch of VC money until they are the single, truly-free personal hardware vendor in the market.
And then slowly inevitably do a 180 on all the original principles in the name of bigger numbers between Q1 and Q2.