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Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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I've just run the numbers on a framework laptop with 64Gb RAM, i5, and 4TB Nvme = ~$2,100. That's an impressive price. Edit: Impressive as in it's low compared to equally specced big-name laptops.

That's a lot of RAM but it's still pretty expensive for an i5.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#72

Are the Framework laptops limited by Intel's apparent Tiger Lake suspend issues? https://www.reddit.com/r/System76/comments/k7xrtz/ill_have_w...

Oh yeah. Your battery is gonna drain while the lid is closed. That seems to be just the world we live in now. For Intel, at least.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#73

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I desperately want this to succeed as well. Enough that I've got a preorder that's supposed to ship this week. I'm willing to take the gamble. Sometimes you have to help fund the change you want to see in the world.

I can't see this succeeding when the laptop I have to assemble myself costs more than a prebuilt laptop with much better specs. I love the idea too, but the price seems a little outrageous.

What laptops are you comparing to? When I compared to Lenovo X series and Dell XPS, Framework came out hundreds of dollars cheaper.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#74
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If you owned a business, which parts of it would you do for free?

I don't care, but if you were a customer, and price([A,B]) was greater than price([A])+price([B]) elsewhere, who would you buy from? I mean, I'll happily sell you $100 Amazon products for $150 if you'd like. I can even charge for shipping, and not pass on the 5% cashback I get.

Well a good thing about this is you can do that. Just order it bare without any of the optional parts, and get those wherever you want.

I've been thinking of doing that (when it finally launches in the UK..!) just to enjoy the promise of being able to. Even though they're offering RAM and WiFi cheaper than I could find it elsewhere in a quick look (Amazon & Scan).

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#75
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I'm kind of surprised battery cells aren't one of the kinds of usbc case modules you can get out of the gate. Obviously they'd be a bit limited in mAh but tbh a lot of the time I'd probably be willing to sacrifice 2 or even 3 of the 4 modules for battery if I'm actually on the go. (I kind of suspect you might be limited to one though, assuming the power delivery controller can only really handle one external source o…

Would it be enough to be worthwhile at all though, even ignoring the cost of the control circuitry? (and what's the laptop going to do when it sees 5 power sources? How does it know not to charge one depleted battery module from another?)

yeah, definitely concerns there. I honestly don't know. I think it'd be interesting if they considered a single "long bay" as an option on future models that could accommodate a few battery cells or something else like an extra m.2 slot.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#76
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I am currently using the DIY version running Ubuntu. I absolutely love this laptop. It had been awhile since I built a computer (let alone a laptop). The DIY kit instructions and the construction of the machine itself are very well thought out. I am very excited for a future where we can measure the lifespan of our personal electronics in decades rather than months. Congrats to the Framework team!

How do you deal with the screen resolution? Do you have to run it at 1.5x? And, if so, what's the fractional scaling experience like?

I personally dig the resolution. I run at 200% and have the fractional scaling toggled off. It works for me but I am primarily editing text files. If you're doing anything graphically intensive, I don't really have any anecdata.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#77
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It's a blog post on our company blog. We used to write them weekly to share more detail on different parts of the hardware and systems we're building, but took a pause as we worked through launch. We're now starting back up. We don't post these directly anywhere but our own website, email lists, and social channels, and I assume throwawaysea (who doesn't seem to be a throwaway account) is subscribed to one of those.

That's okay. You're free to write whatever you want on your blog and others are free to submit it here to HN. Even if you submit it yourself I don't see that as a problem. My comment is that there really isn't much of substance in the article. It's very short and doesn't contain much information in it. I like the Framework laptop, but I think this post doesn't do a lot. Best of luck!

You have to look at intent. I don't think the intent of this article was to create anything new, provide some intrinsic value, or serve as any kind of in-depth resource. I believe the intent of this article was to serve as a primer / entry point for the question of "linux on a framework laptop" for users who are arriving at their website via a search engine or searching around their website. It seems to already be performing well from an SEO perspective. When you own content on the internet it's not so much about just having it somewhere but it's also to ensure that the user journey is as frictionless as possible and that your information is conveyed in a way that is easy to consume.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#79

I hope they succeed in this business model. In this day and age that companies and government want more and more control over our machines, we should prefer these transparent products even if it performs slightly worse than state-of-the-art. If you're wondering about NixOS experience on Framework laptop, there is this blog post I've recently read: https://grahamc.com/blog/nixos-on-framework

I desperately want this to succeed as well. Enough that I've got a preorder that's supposed to ship this week. I'm willing to take the gamble. Sometimes you have to help fund the change you want to see in the world.

Sometimes 'funding the change you want to see' is merely to appease your own conscience; some real problems are systemic or caused by other actors. Turning a 1 L/min sink off for the 20 seconds of washing your hands doesn't matter when the farmer down the road is growing row crops in a desert with center-pivot irrigation system.

But other times, like this? It's absolutely a valid approach. If a high-profile open laptop like this can succeed - which is helped at this scale by individual purchases - maybe some bigger players will take notice.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#80
This is a laptop supposed to be for power users, but why does it have such a horrible keyboard layout?

I mean cursors are probably the most used keys and they are tiny and you don't have dedicated keys for PgUp / PgDown, Home, End.

I have money ready for a laptop, but still can't find anything on the market :/

Second deal breaker is Intel. I don't want to reward this company for doing basically nothing for 5 or so years and essentially releasing the same products under different names.

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