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Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by lostapathy »

ducktective wrote: post #2

I hope they succeed in this business model. In this day and age that companies and government want more and more control over our machines, we should prefer these transparent products even if it performs slightly worse than state-of-the-art. If you're wondering about NixOS experience on Framework laptop, there is this blog post I've recently read: https://grahamc.com/blog/nixos-on-framework

I desperately want this to succeed as well. Enough that I've got a preorder that's supposed to ship this week.

I'm willing to take the gamble. Sometimes you have to help fund the change you want to see in the world.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by nrp »

vaidhy wrote: post #12

I just ordered a DIY kit from them yesterday. One of the really big factor for me would be a decent battery life. Can I suggest the framework team to also post a base power config for Linux?

Thanks for ordering and we hope you like it! That is something we will likely do in the future, but in the meantime, there are a few good threads in our community where people walk through the optimizations they are testing: https://community.frame.work/t/performance-cpu-temp-and-batt...

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

#23

Post by TheRealDunkirk »

turbinerneiter wrote: post #14
cf100clunk wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a need for this, but is there a large enough market? I will look seriously at this product for my next laptop. It seems to follow a similar philosophy in the notebook market as Purism's does in the mini-PC, rack server, and mobile phone markets.

Pruism, Framework, System76 - I think it's less about whether the market is big enough, but more about other effects that allow you to survive in smaller niches. I think today it is just became cheaper for sample companies to offer laptops that can compete with the big names. The Clevo machines of old looked really bad next to a MacBook, today, while still less nice, they are flat and light and minimal as well.

> Pruism, Framework, System76

If there's anything that the past 20 years of American Capitalism has taught us: these companies should all merge, integrate their hardware and software, and then get a bunch of VC money until they are the single, truly-free personal hardware vendor in the market.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by lostapathy »

dheera wrote: post #18
Jaruzel wrote: post #5

I've just run the numbers on a framework laptop with 64Gb RAM, i5, and 4TB Nvme = ~$2,100. That's an impressive price. Edit: Impressive as in it's low compared to equally specced big-name laptops.

They seem to be overcharging for components on the DIY page. Most of those things you can get for cheaper elsewhere including Amazon or Newegg. I would expect that they should be be cheaper if they want to get ahead of the game.

I doubt they have Newegg's purchasing power, at this juncture, and their prices really aren't unreasonable like they would be if you upgrade a Dell or Apple.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by mjlbach »

vaidhy wrote: post #12

I just ordered a DIY kit from them yesterday. One of the really big factor for me would be a decent battery life. Can I suggest the framework team to also post a base power config for Linux?

I have a framework. Battery life varies between 2 (physics simulation + opengl rendering), 3 (zoom meetings on Wayland), 5 (netflix on firefox), 7 (local streaming with mpv), 8 (casual browsing with an adblocker), and 12 (coding/reading in a TUI) hours.

Note, I use sway but don't notice much of a battery difference on gnome or plasma.

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by ddtaylor »

nrp wrote: post #15
ddtaylor wrote: post #11

That's an ad.

It's a blog post on our company blog. We used to write them weekly to share more detail on different parts of the hardware and systems we're building, but took a pause as we worked through launch. We're now starting back up. We don't post these directly anywhere but our own website, email lists, and social channels, and I assume throwawaysea (who doesn't seem to be a throwaway account) is subscribed to one of those.

That's okay. You're free to write whatever you want on your blog and others are free to submit it here to HN. Even if you submit it yourself I don't see that as a problem.

My comment is that there really isn't much of substance in the article. It's very short and doesn't contain much information in it.

I like the Framework laptop, but I think this post doesn't do a lot.

Best of luck!

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by michael_j_ward »

rmbyrro wrote: post #7
Jaruzel wrote: post #5

I've just run the numbers on a framework laptop with 64Gb RAM, i5, and 4TB Nvme = ~$2,100. That's an impressive price. Edit: Impressive as in it's low compared to equally specced big-name laptops.

Impressive price can mean two opposite things

Impressive means the same thing, but things can be impressive in opposite ways.

:P (i too wonder which way was intended)

Re: Linux on the Framework Laptop

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Post by nrp »

cf100clunk wrote: post #4
ducktective wrote: post #2

I hope they succeed in this business model. In this day and age that companies and government want more and more control over our machines, we should prefer these transparent products even if it performs slightly worse than state-of-the-art. If you're wondering about NixOS experience on Framework laptop, there is this blog post I've recently read: https://grahamc.com/blog/nixos-on-framework

There is a need for this, but is there a large enough market? I will look seriously at this product for my next laptop. It seems to follow a similar philosophy in the notebook market as Purism's does in the mini-PC, rack server, and mobile phone markets.

The key to the market size is that we've designed the Framework Laptop to be a real substitute for a Dell XPS, Microsoft Surface Laptop, HP Spectre, or ThinkPad for more mainstream audiences who want to run Windows 10. The size, weight, performance, display, and general look and feel are on par with those products, and then within those constraints, we've enabled customization, upgradeability, and repairability.

Today it's likely we're bootstrapping off of more niche, enthusiast audiences to reach the mainstream, but over the longer term, the mainstream helps us fuel the ecosystem to keep delivering awesome products for smaller audiences.

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