I got down leveled when I moved to big tech. Spent two years completely remaking the product I was tasked to work on, while the two other engineers on my team, both a level above me, cheered me on and didn’t do much. I turned our product from a total waste about to be cancelled into a promising tech with some momentum, but I spent all my time coding instead of writing about coding, and I likely won’t get promoted aga…
The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
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Re: The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
#12I got down leveled when I moved to big tech. Spent two years completely remaking the product I was tasked to work on, while the two other engineers on my team, both a level above me, cheered me on and didn’t do much. I turned our product from a total waste about to be cancelled into a promising tech with some momentum, but I spent all my time coding instead of writing about coding, and I likely won’t get promoted aga…
I've been in a similar situation in the past and finding a different job solved the problem
Re: The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
#13I got down leveled when I moved to big tech. Spent two years completely remaking the product I was tasked to work on, while the two other engineers on my team, both a level above me, cheered me on and didn’t do much. I turned our product from a total waste about to be cancelled into a promising tech with some momentum, but I spent all my time coding instead of writing about coding, and I likely won’t get promoted aga…
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#14I got down leveled when I moved to big tech. Spent two years completely remaking the product I was tasked to work on, while the two other engineers on my team, both a level above me, cheered me on and didn’t do much. I turned our product from a total waste about to be cancelled into a promising tech with some momentum, but I spent all my time coding instead of writing about coding, and I likely won’t get promoted aga…
This is the norm in my company, and I suspect many others.
Re: The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
#15But titles are a constant discussion topic when I’ve mentored younger people. It’s a common tactic for smaller companies to try to lure juniors in by offering them more prestigious job titles. If you’re fresh out of college and half of your career advice comes from your parents’ outdated knowledge of how businesses work, it can be tempting to pick the job that offers the highest job title, ignoring other factors. Companies know this and use it to their advantage.
On the hiring side, titles on a resume don’t mean much unless it’s coming from a company with a well-known advancement structure. If you’re coming from a 50-person startup I’ve never heard of before, I don’t care if you’re a “software engineer” or “principal software architect”. I’m going to be asking you what you did, what you shipped, what your role was in decision making, and other questions to figure out how you fit into our advancement hierarchy.
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#16This is simply not true. Seniors at FAANG type companies simply dont do that much. Typically have a narrow specialty and a good grasp on how it fits into the larger Org’s strategy etc.
Senior engineers at a small shop do EVERYTHING. Front end, back end, DBA work, training and upleveling juniors, PM work, sales calls and client support occasionally. Also more involved in product and strategy.
Re: The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
#17I think the key takeaway is to never believe when someone says "Don't worry, you'll get promoted in no time".
Send this to the employer. If they balk you know know they were just telling you what you wanted to hear. Be wary.
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#18I got down leveled when I moved to big tech. Spent two years completely remaking the product I was tasked to work on, while the two other engineers on my team, both a level above me, cheered me on and didn’t do much. I turned our product from a total waste about to be cancelled into a promising tech with some momentum, but I spent all my time coding instead of writing about coding, and I likely won’t get promoted aga…
the trick is to disconnect, not try too hard, not take it personally, and learn to play the political games
Re: The Seniority Roller Coaster and Down-Leveling in Tech
#19The thing that many folks don't understand is that it's not that "Titles don't matter", it's that "Titles don't matter when compared across companies". There's not a universal definition of say, "senior software engineer", so comparing titles across companies will always be an apples/oranges exercise. Titles do matter, but only when in the proper context.
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#20I made a fairly popular reddit post recently on how I down-leveled my career in recent years. Each time I down-level, I get a raise in salary -- it's pretty great. What that permitted me to learn about myself is that - at the end of the day - I just like solving interesting and challenging problems, working with colleagues as equals, and creating products and solutions that I'm proud of. I have utterly no interest an…
I mean at the end of the day the title is only to feed your own ego. At family gathering nobody's gonna ask you why you were Principal and now you're Staff. I find no difference between being called a "Director" or a "Manager", because the title alone tells me absolutely nothing Reminds me of American Psycho, where everybody is a damn Vice President (reflective of the time)
Reflective of the industry, really. It’s still that way in banking.