Sad but true. I think the most fundamental change of Brexit is the overwhelming "you're not welcome" message. Visas, papers, bureaucrats, people can deal with. But the idea that you're at best tolerated so long as you pay your taxes is really off-putting (even for me, now UK citizen and long-time resident). Also, all these schemes forget that moving for a job is so much more than that - it is moving a life. Can you m…
Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?
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Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've not noticed any decline in UK immigration as yet. If there is a decline and it is a problem, then the UK has the ability to address it as needed. If there is not a decline then there's not a problem. Speaking for my own workplace the effect of brexit has been to replace European migrants with more Indian migrants, not to actually reduce migration. Unless you believe that continental Europeans have some unique ab…
Noticed the empty shelves at the supermarkets? Something to do with no one being around to drive lorries? But ultimately, if you don't mind, that's good news to you. One thing less to worry about in a stressful world.
I would stop spreading the fake news of Europeans being the servants of the Britons.
Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?
#103Immigration was not the main reason of voting Brexit. UKIP is not 51% of the UK electorate. I am surprised to see that, years after that vote, there are still gross misinformation circulating around it.
If it wasn't, then why did the Brexit referendum unleash such a torrent of racist abuse?
Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?
#104Immigration was not the main reason of voting Brexit. UKIP is not 51% of the UK electorate. I am surprised to see that, years after that vote, there are still gross misinformation circulating around it.
No but the vote has been interpreted as a mandate to implement UKIP's policy agenda (and beyond). Less misinformation in the article than in Vote Leave's campaign.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
No but the vote has been interpreted as a mandate to implement UKIP's policy agenda (and beyond). Less misinformation in the article than in Vote Leave's campaign.
Well couldn’t that be the result of the remainers doing Godwin points and trying to force the narrative that Brexit vote was racist?
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll upvote you because I love people being civil on HN. > That is about goods, which are totally separate to immigration. Yes, but you need trucks, boats, and loaders for those. A lot of the people dealing with that are immigrants. > The employers offering these shitty jobs have gotten used to being able to pay poor wages to cheap imported labour. Working in agriculture as always been low paid back breaking work. Th…
I guess I would then argue that your points one and two are the same, and therefore have a similar fix - that the lack of labour imports will impact standard of living (either through logistics, farming, or other unskilled work) We need to pay more people to do these jobs, not rely on exploiting people from poorer nations to fill the gaps. I think the evidence suggests this is indeed happening. Wages are rising at th…
Agreed, but giving our consumption rate, it's going to be hard to do that and be competitive with a global market. Australia can pull that off because they are swimming in wealth right now, have a lot of land, and also because they have very favorable import rules they can maintain because the country produces a lot of basic goods. I doubt the UK can pull it off, but I'm not an oracle so let's see.
> Wages are rising at their fastest rate on record.
In Australia, yes. Again they have plenty of resources to go by right now. In the UK, I'm not sure how sustainable it would be. But I hope it will. Maybe the UK will prove to be the poster child for a successful economy after closing your borders. I doubt it, usually trades needs flexible borders, but I could be dead wrong, I'm not an economist.
> Working holiday visas require that you must work in service or agriculture, and the will kick you out when your time is up
Yes, but right now you can't even do that in the UK.
> I guess I can't disagree with your personal experiences at University, but I do suspect a lot of it comes down to the institution you attended. I studied at two universities in the UK and found them both academically rigourous.
It's not just universities, though. Just chatting with people of my age kinda scared me. They didn't handle basic geography, couldn't read subtext and were very sensitive to pandering. All in all, they had a very narrow-minded point of view compared to their belgium, german or irish counter parts. Of course, as soon as you reach business London, this changes. But that's true everywhere in the world.
And although I understand arguments in favor of brexit, it's really hard to take the average brexiter seriously. They are the facebook anti-vax of politics, and I suspect their education system didn't help with that.
Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?
#107More like 'mission failed successfully' for the Tech sector in the UK. Many UK tech startups are getting acquired in all directions and the Big Tech companies in the US continue to open more offices in the UK. The biggest casualty of Brexit in the UK tech industry was ARM. The competition for UK tech startups to hire away talent from the big tech companies has become close to impossible. I don't think we are going to…
> I don't think we are going to see a 'Google' in the UK anytime soon if this continues. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/arrival-e-bus-electric-vehicl...
SPACing is the easy part. Just ask NKLA, LCID, GOEV and RIDE.
A company operating in the same league like 'Google' does not get itself acquired, is also profitable and expands onto multiple industries and countries.
We'll see if out of these other EV competitors Arrival is either a 'Google', 'Yahoo' or the EV company that could have been but somehow could not.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Me and my partner are in the same boat as your wife - we're from the baltic states and when people are curious about our origins, they ask if we're polish or not. I don't really hold it against people, but having to reassert your own ethnicity gets tiring. Most people are not aware of the country I come from anyway. As a side note of the knowledge the general public holds, it seems like the history knowledge people g…
I live in the Uk, i’m not British, and speak with a foreign accent. I was extremely surprised to see people complain of the « racist abuses »... until i read those few posts explaining that the « racists abuses » in question were the mere fact of being asked « what’s your accent ». Ok, if being asked what your accent is, is a « racial abuse », then yes, i guess i am a victim and should whine and maybe ask for money?…
Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Me and my partner are in the same boat as your wife - we're from the baltic states and when people are curious about our origins, they ask if we're polish or not. I don't really hold it against people, but having to reassert your own ethnicity gets tiring. Most people are not aware of the country I come from anyway. As a side note of the knowledge the general public holds, it seems like the history knowledge people g…
I live in the Uk, i’m not British, and speak with a foreign accent. I was extremely surprised to see people complain of the « racist abuses »... until i read those few posts explaining that the « racists abuses » in question were the mere fact of being asked « what’s your accent ». Ok, if being asked what your accent is, is a « racial abuse », then yes, i guess i am a victim and should whine and maybe ask for money?…
Re: Post-Brexit immigration: mission accomplished?
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
So what was the main reason?
Apparently, "the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK". https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/02/how-the-uk-voted-on-br... I genuinely don't know how much I believe people when they say that, though; sometimes people saying that are unable to provide specific decisions that were made outside the UK (so not for any obvious practical reason or lived example), but also are unable to expand on the…
- "Brussels" and its decisions have long been vilified in the UK press so may be a reflection of that.
- This may partly be a proxy for a general feeling of disempowerment given that the UK is so highly centralised.