What stops any developer of a large org using Docker Desktop through their personal license/account? How is such a restriction going to be imposed?
Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
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Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#522Rancher Desktop is an open source container management and Kubernetes desktop app. https://rancherdesktop.io/ Disclosure: I work on Rancher Desktop. Feedback welcome.
Does this work with Docker compose files? For local development at the moment I mostly use docker-compose and for production using AWS Fargate so the kubernetes functionality is a bit wasted on me really
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#523Earlier quoted context omitted.
trey-jones, I apologize, but I cannot reply to you directly. The biggest showstopper for podman is that it runs entirely in userspace on Linux. Having said that, I use it as a drop-in replacement for Docker and it's only become better in the past year. This is somewhat irrelevant to the Docker Desktop product, as podman doesn't provide a nice packaged up solution, but you can use podman on Windows and Mac as long as…
> The biggest showstopper for podman is that it runs entirely in userspace on Linux. As I see it, that's the whole selling point. Need to have something with limited rights or build a container without root? Podman is the way to go.
No true. Podman runs natively on a MAC, using a Linux VM for containers, just like Docker. `podman machine init` pulls down a VM, after which you can start running, developing, and building the same images that Docker and Kubernetes use.
Just `brew install podman`.
For Windows, Podman is available on many distributions in WSL2.
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#524Kind of annoying that Docker Hub and Docker Desktop are both sold in one package.
As someone who uses Docker Hub (the public repos) but not Docker Desktop (their Windows/Mac proprietary apps), it pisses me to have to pay for crap software I don't use nor care about.
Then again, the ecosystem did end up being built to be centralised around on single repository, so we did all kinda buy into this.
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#525So many people in this thread don’t understand how enterprise decisions get made. The business license costs $21/month, probably less in reality. Do you really think that businesses are going to jeopardize the workflows of their $250k/year assets over a very core piece of software for $250/year? Any alternative has switching costs and risks. Companies will just pay this. I see so many people saying “just do these 10…
Have you ever worked at a large corporation?
I have, and let me tell you, they will spend dozens of hours and thousands of dollars to fight a purchase of $21. I'm really not joking.
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#526Earlier quoted context omitted.
I use it on my Fedora dev machine and it's pretty good. Still wouldn't replace a mission critical machine with it, as it isn't the primary target for docker containers to run on and it can break more easily.
It will break from time to time. But so does Docker Desktop. Neither Docker nor Podman are suitable for mission critical stuff. Their market is entirely dev machines and devs can fix in on their own.
> Neither Docker nor Podman are suitable for mission critical stuff. Their market is entirely dev machines and devs can fix in on their own.
Pretty sure they're used for more than that.
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#527What a strange sentence.. As if "Docker" is some third party. They're referring to themselves in the 3rd person. Be warned
Meh, it's just for the headline. If someone shared the article and the title is scraped, "we're" isn't as self-explanatory and required you to look at the URL for context. The article itself uses "we"
"Docker is Updating and Extending Our Product Subscriptions"
It's plain wrong. You can't refer to yourself as Docker AND as "we"
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#528Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've been fortunate enough to work at companies where engineers were trusted to make small purchasing decisions. It works well for a while, but eventually everyone accumulates a lot of random recurring charges and the company cracks down. $21 is nothing for a one-time spend. $21 per month per employee is now $252/year per employee, but now you also need someone managing all of these licenses and accounting. Every new…
Someone making $250k/year shouldn't think twice dropping $21/month on a tool that truly makes them more productive. A year or two ago I bought a personal license to Ubuntu FIPS after being urgently asked to debug an issue w/ Python's OpenSSL bindings. Unsurprisingly it turned out that my company had an enterprise license, and had I known whom to contact (which I didn't), I could have gotten a license key in a couple…
For companies it's not that easy though. Employees will accumulate services and don't cancel them, will leave without leaving any info on which services were bought for what purposes etc.
Companies still need proper invoices and account for all charges. If they cannot accomplish this because employees forgot they bought services or have left without letting anyone know, the company is on the hook for it.
Having worked with procurement departments I can understand very well why employees should never be able to make purchasing decisions without someone from procurement in the loop.
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#529Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s assuming some kind soul in engineering management has the patience and leverage to guide this through 10 layers of purchasing, procurement, finance, legal etc… Another likely outcome is that it’s “easier” for teams to switch to another tool (easier in that at least they’re not waiting on a third party for approval) and everyone loses a lot of time Big corporations are not the most efficient beasts for this kin…
I've been fortunate enough to work at companies where engineers were trusted to make small purchasing decisions. It works well for a while, but eventually everyone accumulates a lot of random recurring charges and the company cracks down. $21 is nothing for a one-time spend. $21 per month per employee is now $252/year per employee, but now you also need someone managing all of these licenses and accounting. Every new…
> When you get a new hire, do you tell them to submit a ticket with licensing and wait until they can get their Docker Desktop license
that's how it's worked for me - in my last job spent 3 weeks waiting for a Qt License, Intel compiler license, MSVC license...
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#530Just use Linux desktop