System76 seems to be making good laptops but on side I’m happy with my zephyrus it’s amd 3900HS it has a 3070 for AI and it’s 200/300 $ more and has a great Linux community. Not sure what system76 value prop is on that market.
System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock
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As this thread is highlighting, in my experience there are two kinds of keyboard users. Those that love their numberpad, and those that never use it. There seems to rarely be people in the middle. On desktops it mostly doesn't matter because you can shift the keyboard over relative to the screen. On laptops this translates into people completely loathing or loving the laptop entirely :) Personally in the never use it…
I think a lot of people just haven't learned to touch-type the top number row. It was required for me to graduate to the 6th grade in 2002 to get at least 35 WPM / 90% accuracy on the typing test, and there were a bunch of numbers in there so using the type row naturally was an important part of this. I suspect people who have had similar experiences would never use the numpad. The context switch alone causes huge am…
For me it's the other way. I have no issues embedding nubers in the touch typing when typing normal text, but if there are only numbers, accuracy will go down, unless I bring my center down to the asdf line, which slows me down a lot.
I also did practice my musscle memory for the numpad in a similar way to touch as part of typing scientific data (back in the 90s). After a couple of weeks of that, my speed on the numpad would be at least twice as high as when typing numbers on the main keyboard. Also, accuracy was high enough that I could reliably trust the output even when not looking at the result (very close to 100%), which is critical for many use cases that involve numbers.
Even if I spend 99% of my time on the regular keyboard now, if I have to spend more than 5mins typing only numbers, I will feel really frustrated without a numpad.
Then again, I tend to use the laptop keyboards quite little anyway, mostly only while travelling or when in a meeting room. In the office, there is a dock and at home I use a desktop.
Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock
#323Uhh I understand that good Linux support is valuable, but the price premium for that is just too high. For the base variant(5500u, 8gb, 240gb): Pangolin - 1200$ Lenovo Ideapad 3 15 - 430$[1] For a higher-end variant(5700u, 16gb, 500gb): Pangolin - 1542$ HP 15z - 640$[2] I admit these are the absolute cheapest ones I could find(using noteb.com), but even the more premium laptops like Thinkpads are way cheaper(and AFAI…
> Thinkpads are way cheaper(and AFAIK they also provide very good Linux support) My own experience with thinkpads has been one of non-stop frustration with battery life. The T495 advertises something like 14h of battery life; the actual battery life I got running stock Ubuntu on it was.... less than 3 hours, and that's with power optimization packages that do things like making USB no longer work installed. I recentl…
The T495 is s special kind of disappointment (I have one too), but the fault is with AMD. Zen 1 mobile has extremely aggressive C-States and they essentially never clock down. Ryzenadj helps a bit, but not much.
I have a P14s Gen 1 from work now, that’s one gen ahead but an entire different league in battery life (and it wouldn’t cook your fingers on the palm rest)
Newer kernels have helped a bit too, much more than TLP, if you still have that device try Fedora on it.
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#324This is an huge deal : the 5700U is faster than the Mac M1 at the same wattage https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Apple-M1-8-Core-3200-MH...
Now imagine if AMD could also use 5nm like Apple.
Chip shortage is hurting a lot.
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#325The only missing part for me is thunderbolt. I'm so used to it in laptops I would have a hard time without it.
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Generally, hobbyist mechanical keyboards that you assemble by buying or fabricating a PCB, and doing a bit of soldering. Most designs have relatively easy soldering. Some hobbyist shops may offer assembly services. If you don't want to solder, ZSA labs have a "moonlander" keyboard that looks quite nice, for a premium price. If you're not put off by soldering, then some popular split keyboards would be the Corne (also…
Surely the origins of split keyboards are ergo spaces not hobbyist?
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Good Linux support is rare . Name one other USA vendor besides System76 or Purism that is Linux-first. Linux is at best a side project for Lenovo and Dell.
Just picking on "Name one other USA vendor besides System76 or Purism that is Linux-first." Kubuntu Focus - https://kfocus.org/
Pick away!! The more the merrier.
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#328System76 seems to be making good laptops but on side I’m happy with my zephyrus it’s amd 3900HS it has a 3070 for AI and it’s 200/300 $ more and has a great Linux community. Not sure what system76 value prop is on that market.
Same here, been using the g14 since last year as my main arch machine and couldn't be happier.
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#329Earlier quoted context omitted.
Generally, hobbyist mechanical keyboards that you assemble by buying or fabricating a PCB, and doing a bit of soldering. Most designs have relatively easy soldering. Some hobbyist shops may offer assembly services. If you don't want to solder, ZSA labs have a "moonlander" keyboard that looks quite nice, for a premium price. If you're not put off by soldering, then some popular split keyboards would be the Corne (also…
Surely the origins of split keyboards are ergo spaces not hobbyist?
Split keyboards have been around for quite a while. You can even see the Kinesis Advantage keyboard featured in films like Flubber and Men in Black and plenty of companies have made ergonomic keyboards.
I think there's a sort of hobbyist renaissance going on right now, though. Plenty of new keyboards are being designed and built because it's more accessible than ever to design your own pcb or if not that to get someone else's design printed, which along with the general mechanical keyboard enthusiast market, has given people a wealth of options to choose from.
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#3301080p screen is a no-go. come on yall, it's 2021
Isn't 1080p way better for battery life + its mostly indistinguishable in pixels? unless you are like, looking really close at the pixels? remember its 1080p inside a 15" monitor, not a 24" monitor a PC has.
This laptop is clearly not designed for battery life though. The battery is tiny inside.