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System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by deepsun »

smoldesu wrote: post #188
tempest_ wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about the quality of the pangolin or the HP but I can tell you that lenovos consumer level laptops are pretty trash quality wise. The thinkpads (at least the X,T and P models) tend to be a different story but even that is changing in recent years

Really? I bought an Ideapad for my mom a few months ago and I was pretty impressed with the build quality. It was plastic (as all $450 laptops are) but felt relatively rugged, and the internals were surprisingly open too. I was rather happy with the thermals too, there wasn't much we could throw at it to make it sustain uncomfortable temps.

Plastic laptop cases are objectively better than metallic ones. Plastic doesn't heat up your legs that much, and good carbon plastic is stronger than steel, weight-wise. Subjectively, metallic feels better though.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by yoyohello13 »

sofixa wrote: post #96
zozbot234 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing wrong with that for a lightweight Linux dev/browsing machine. More than that just goes unused.

Depends on your browsing habits. I often end up with hundreds of Chrome tabs, which can easily result in 16GB of RAM being consumed by it alone. Thankfully there are plugins to automatically suspend unused tabs which help with that.

I read this workflow a lot and it absolutely boggles my mind how people can have some many tabs open. You can’t possibly be able to make sense of all those tabs at once. And if your not using the tab, why not just bookmark it? Seems the only purpose of 100+ tabs is wasting ram.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by luke2m »

asddubs wrote: post #189
Fatalist_ma wrote: post #181

Uhh I understand that good Linux support is valuable, but the price premium for that is just too high. For the base variant(5500u, 8gb, 240gb): Pangolin - 1200$ Lenovo Ideapad 3 15 - 430$[1] For a higher-end variant(5700u, 16gb, 500gb): Pangolin - 1542$ HP 15z - 640$[2] I admit these are the absolute cheapest ones I could find(using noteb.com), but even the more premium laptops like Thinkpads are way cheaper(and AFAI…

do ideapads actually have good linux support? Compared to a thinkpad it's cheap, those seem to start at 2 grand these days

My Ideapad Flex 5 runs great (Ryzen 7 5700u), but fingerprint and autorotate do not work (yet). Otherwise, it is completely stable and everything works.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by jagger27 »

stevenhuang wrote: post #167
jagger27 wrote: post #7

I say it every time every time one of these threads pop up and I’ll say it again here: if it’s not 16:10 or 3:2 I’m simply not interested. I buy devices like this for productivity. I don't care about black bars when watching videos because I don't watch videos on it. What I absolutely care about is the extra inch of text in my terminal or text editor. I didn't think this was a controversial opinion.

What makes you think this is controversial? Your antagonistic stance on this is strange.

Immediately after posting it was downvoted heavily. The last sentence was added then.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by luke2m »

tempest_ wrote: post #185
Fatalist_ma wrote: post #181

Uhh I understand that good Linux support is valuable, but the price premium for that is just too high. For the base variant(5500u, 8gb, 240gb): Pangolin - 1200$ Lenovo Ideapad 3 15 - 430$[1] For a higher-end variant(5700u, 16gb, 500gb): Pangolin - 1542$ HP 15z - 640$[2] I admit these are the absolute cheapest ones I could find(using noteb.com), but even the more premium laptops like Thinkpads are way cheaper(and AFAI…

I don't know about the quality of the pangolin or the HP but I can tell you that lenovos consumer level laptops are pretty trash quality wise. The thinkpads (at least the X,T and P models) tend to be a different story but even that is changing in recent years

They have gotten a lot better recently in my experience.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by Mikeb85 »

Fatalist_ma wrote: post #181

Uhh I understand that good Linux support is valuable, but the price premium for that is just too high. For the base variant(5500u, 8gb, 240gb): Pangolin - 1200$ Lenovo Ideapad 3 15 - 430$[1] For a higher-end variant(5700u, 16gb, 500gb): Pangolin - 1542$ HP 15z - 640$[2] I admit these are the absolute cheapest ones I could find(using noteb.com), but even the more premium laptops like Thinkpads are way cheaper(and AFAI…

Yup. Hard to pick this over a Dell XPS or a ThinkPad with Linux. Nevermind many other options that Linux can be installed onto.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by zumu »

tempest_ wrote: post #185
Fatalist_ma wrote: post #181

Uhh I understand that good Linux support is valuable, but the price premium for that is just too high. For the base variant(5500u, 8gb, 240gb): Pangolin - 1200$ Lenovo Ideapad 3 15 - 430$[1] For a higher-end variant(5700u, 16gb, 500gb): Pangolin - 1542$ HP 15z - 640$[2] I admit these are the absolute cheapest ones I could find(using noteb.com), but even the more premium laptops like Thinkpads are way cheaper(and AFAI…

I don't know about the quality of the pangolin or the HP but I can tell you that lenovos consumer level laptops are pretty trash quality wise. The thinkpads (at least the X,T and P models) tend to be a different story but even that is changing in recent years

> The thinkpads (at least the X,T and P models) tend to be a different story but even that is changing in recent years

Maybe relative to Thinkpads of yesteryear, but in comparison to the field of professional laptops, they are still best in class.

Re: System76 Pangolin Linux-first laptop with AMD internals now in stock

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Post by asddubs »

Fatalist_ma wrote: post #190
asddubs wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do ideapads actually have good linux support? Compared to a thinkpad it's cheap, those seem to start at 2 grand these days

Not sure about Ideapads. Thinkpads with AMD cpu-s are not that expensive: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1645679-REG/lenovo_20... Same specs for 40% less than Pangolin.

interesting, I was recently on the lenovo website and couldn't find a single thinkpad for under 2 grand. I guess they just hid them well.
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