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I don't disagree with you in regards to the need to greatly reform how we handle and prosecute (or don't prosecute) drug-related crimes, but having said that, what is the judge to do? Ignore a law and sentencing guidelines entirely?

Due process requires judges to recuse themselves when there is a strong possibility they will be biased (such as believing it is a BS law that requires no punishment). If every single judge does this, eventually the state is going to run out of resources to try the case. A nice start would be to recognize having "buttfucker 3000" in your name might simply be an acknowledgement of the unjust law and probably circumsta…

What are the limits to your proposed recognition of his frustration? Is the name "fuckthelaw" ok? How about "judgefucker 3000"? What if they include the name of a witness or victim in their name ("fuck ")? What if it contains a racial, ethnic or religious slur?

Court isn't an MMO; you don't get to choose a pithy username. You use your legal name, and the judge is right to enforce that.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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post #111

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Due process requires judges to recuse themselves when there is a strong possibility they will be biased (such as believing it is a BS law that requires no punishment). If every single judge does this, eventually the state is going to run out of resources to try the case. A nice start would be to recognize having "buttfucker 3000" in your name might simply be an acknowledgement of the unjust law and probably circumsta…

What are the limits to your proposed recognition of his frustration? Is the name "fuckthelaw" ok? How about "judgefucker 3000"? What if they include the name of a witness or victim in their name ("fuck ")? What if it contains a racial, ethnic or religious slur? Court isn't an MMO; you don't get to choose a pithy username. You use your legal name, and the judge is right to enforce that.

Well when you're there for a victimless crime of some cop searched your car during a traffic stop and found a syringe, I'd say "fuck the state, the judge, and the cop witness" probably wouldn't be going to far. You're the one wanting to judge people's speech, not I.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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I found my way to court feeds (namely Judge Middleton's[1]) during Covid. Incidentally i'm listening to Aug 19's proceedings now. Seeing these specific clips go viral feels like a microcosm of modern consumption habits. There is so much to learn about the legal system and, more broadly, about the nature of people in trying circumstances watching court proceedings. The pureness of exchanges and the total lack of edito…

Thanks for the link!

Are there any other court feeds you've found interesting?

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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> This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. Maybe this is Captain Obvious speaking, but poor impulse control seems like the single common denominator among a whole load of social ills that consistently land people in trouble (legal, financial, social, across lots of spectrums). From crimes of opportunity/passion, to short-tempers and "blowing up" on people in public…

poor impulse control This can be due to an old head injury. Head injury syndrome is a thing and one study found that upwards of 90 percent of people on Death Row had a history of head injury so severe that you could find evidence of it with an x-ray machine if there were no medical records. In other words the skull still bore the scars. So it went well beyond just a concussion.

Do you have a recent source on the head injury / death row connection? I am not doubting you but curious. I can find a study of 15 people from the early 2000’s but is there anything more recent and with a larger sample size?

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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poor impulse control This can be due to an old head injury. Head injury syndrome is a thing and one study found that upwards of 90 percent of people on Death Row had a history of head injury so severe that you could find evidence of it with an x-ray machine if there were no medical records. In other words the skull still bore the scars. So it went well beyond just a concussion.

Do you have a recent source on the head injury / death row connection? I am not doubting you but curious. I can find a study of 15 people from the early 2000’s but is there anything more recent and with a larger sample size?

I'm old. That old study you found might be the one I'm thinking of.

I don't have any other sources at my fingertips that wouldn't involve just doing a search myself.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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I have seen this video before this HN post. There is a follow up video depicting our antagonist from a jail. He loses his temper and is put on mute. You can see from his body language how distressed he is. It disturbed me greatly. This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. I can only imagine the kind of environment that helps create a person like that… It is so sad.

Only on HN could we diagnosis someone with impulse control from less than 8 minutes of video.

I tried to be careful with my observations. “It appears like…”

I recognize that this incident is a microscope’s view of this young man’s life painting.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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I have seen this video before this HN post. There is a follow up video depicting our antagonist from a jail. He loses his temper and is put on mute. You can see from his body language how distressed he is. It disturbed me greatly. This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. I can only imagine the kind of environment that helps create a person like that… It is so sad.

> This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. Maybe this is Captain Obvious speaking, but poor impulse control seems like the single common denominator among a whole load of social ills that consistently land people in trouble (legal, financial, social, across lots of spectrums). From crimes of opportunity/passion, to short-tempers and "blowing up" on people in public…

> This thread took a wild turn. I guess I never considered there might be a genetic or environmental explanation. Much food for thought!

Since nobody mentioned it, I’ll add that toxoplasmosis seems to reduce the ability to control impulses in humans.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5579228/

Patients with latent toxoplasma have a higher chance to get involved in car accidents.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC117239/

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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> Seems that some people just entirely miss that part of their upbringing, and suffer needlessly for it for the rest of their lives. ...and make things worse for the rest of us; but god forbid the state do anything about it with proactive evidence-based early-interventions or treat the perpetrators of crime with compassion and understanding too - otherwise it's called being soft-on-crime or worse: "liberal".

I wouldn't say that only the state is capable of helping. Most organizations that help in these situations currently in the US are private, often faith-based, and non-profit. Also to mention... to challenge preconceptions about who's behind this stuff, the current US president (who many would consider "liberal" or "leftist") made great efforts and progress toward locking up lots of people ("tough on crime"), especial…

I think you're giving Trump too much credit. Trump's support of the First Step Act was widely attributed to doing a favor for Kushner, and is seen as an anomaly against his broader "tough on crime" theme, which he doubled down on in the run-up to the 2020 election. (I mean, he literally tweeted "LAW & ORDER!" with no other context several times.)

It's hard to take Trump seriously in the realm of criminal justice reform when considering -- for example -- his reaction to the aftermath of the murder of George Floyd. And that's just one example among many. I won't claim that Biden is a saint here, but painting Trump as a criminal justice reformer is a bit absurd.

Regardless, incarceration isn't really something that changes a lot based on federal-level action, as federal prisoners account for less than 10% of the prison population (the rest are incarcerated at the state level).

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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> [Judge] Middleton then asked Harris to divulge the address where he was. Harris gave a house number on East Lafayette Street.

Is this bordering on a Fifth Amendment violation since the judge asked this or a future mistrial since the defense attorney didn't try to stop it?

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