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Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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We use Docker Desktop for the Mac at work. (Large company) Docker for Mac absolutely sucks. If they’re going to force everyone to pay they better start fixing bugs. They recently stopped allowing skipping a release unless you pay, and then promptly shipped a point release with a showstopper bug. I literally asked IT for a Linux VM/Cloud machine yesterday for development because my Mac is dead in the water due to a bu…

Our team uses it too, but we don't even use the UI - it's just to get the daemon started on startup. Is there a way to do this easily on the Mac without using Docker Desktop?

you could check something like ubuntu multipass

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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This poster has clearly worked at the same kind of companies I have. Plenty of them would gladly burn 10x what it would cost to just buy the damn license on engineering man-hours switching something that's inferior but free. Because it doesn't show up as an expense on the annual budget. The concept of opportunity cost is completely lost on a lot of business leaders.

A lot of the driver here is not in the moment short-sightedness, but rather a byproduct of the procurement or other finance processes (ironically often instituted with intent to prevent waste and fraud or make the company more efficient). It’s not just the $250/yr/dev, but rather the requirements to create a new vendor in the ERP morass, to get approvals for an exception to the standards for payment terms (and/or met…

A lot of those enterprises already have Docker on the vendor list though, because of Docker Hub.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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The places where I worked there's an inverse relationship - the smaller the cost, the harder it is to justify with finances. ($4000 monthly AWS bill for "testing purposes"? No questions asked. $10 wireless mouse? Mission impossible!)

In case you aren't aware, it's easy to explain by that fact that most finance departments are afraid to question your spendings on grounds of looking incompetent. So it's less about 10$ and more about: "I understand what a wireless mouse is and it doesn't look mission critical to me." "No idea what those items on that AWS bill mean, but I'll probably be better off not asking"

If you must exist in this kind of organization use this to your advantage. Get involved in important projects, setup purchase proposals, then make sure you add in new laptops, cables, mice, extra monitors, and whatever other accessories you need. Do you have a remote KVM attached to all 100 servers? Yes. Will finance care if you add 100 monitors, keyboards, mice, etc? Nope. Will your vendor happily add those on to the price? Yup. How do you get involved in projects? Find a Director or VP who wants to get something done and say "yes" or "we'll find a way" to whatever it is they want to do. Then do your research and give them a proposal: "We can accomplish X in 24 months with Y headcount and Z equipment budget". If you can cultivate a reputation as someone who "gets things done" eventually you will find the normal rules no longer apply to you. Finance will stop asking questions about your projects.

You have three rational choices: 1. Play the game, 2. Keep your head down, 3. Quit and move to a company that doesn't play those games.

Sitting around complaining that a big company has crappy inefficient processes is like complaining that water is wet. A complete waste of time and makes you look incompetent to other people in the company who are playing the game. These inefficient processes end up optimizing for people who know how to talk the code and cultivate the right relationships. Take advantage of that.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Rancher Desktop is an open source container management and Kubernetes desktop app. https://rancherdesktop.io/ Disclosure: I work on Rancher Desktop. Feedback welcome.

I'm hitting https://github.com/rancher-sandbox/rancher-desktop/issues/56... but will look again in the future.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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I see this as an opportunity to play with Podman. I don't fall into the category where I'll need to pay, but Docker Desktop has long been somewhat user-hostile.

The forced updates I HATE. It's my machine, I get to pick the version of software it runs. And I've had enough bad updates from Docker to get jittery when it pushes one on me.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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Sorry it is a bit confusing, the overall terms and conditions update is as of now, but the part about paying has a grace period but obviously we want people to know now what will apply. The terms are not very different from previous terms (although I did get the old no benchmarking clause removed, I don't know why we had that there).

> I did get the old no benchmarking clause removed, I don't know why we had that there Your company is probably not going to fare well in this thread, but thanks for this! No benchmarking clauses are gross. Glad to see someone with the means to remove one do so.

I would guess it's to do with the abysmal performance before WSL2.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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> all the others are also paid on Mac Hyperkit is open source software that works on macOS. https://minikube.sigs.k8s.io/docs/drivers/hyperkit/ Virtualbox is also a free (as in beer, and mostly libre) driver that works on all of windows/linux/macOS

Wait, so you're running your app on virtualized Linux inside Docker inside Linux inside Virtualbox inside native MacOS?

That’s how it has to work when there’s a kernel mismatch from host to guest. You’re implying more layers than there actually are.

- MacOS running a hypervisor

- A Linux VM with Docker installed.

- A Linux container running on that VMs kernel.

Containers on Linux aren’t virtualized (normally, you could use runV I suppose if you wanted). The only overhead is the extra disk space to extract the root fs of the container image and the namespacing.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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For everyone who is against this change, can you please write up why? For a ton of small companies (anyone making $10 million or less per year) nothing is going to change and DD is still free to use. If you're at a big organization with let's say 200 developers chances are your company makes hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Even Docker's most expensive business plan would cost you 200 * $21 = $4,200 month. Pay…

I don't get enough out of docker desktop for mac to be worth the 21 dollars a month, personally. It manages a VM and the port mappings/exposure of docker sockets on my behalf. That is something that can be replaced fairly easily and not cost me 5-20 dollars a month.

This on top of some of the decisions in the past year like removing the ability to opt out of updates, and the issues that pop up when I don't expect it (crashes, file systems, etc) I am more inclined to find other solutions.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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post #283

For everyone who is against this change, can you please write up why? For a ton of small companies (anyone making $10 million or less per year) nothing is going to change and DD is still free to use. If you're at a big organization with let's say 200 developers chances are your company makes hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Even Docker's most expensive business plan would cost you 200 * $21 = $4,200 month. Pay…

Because we use containers to share images outside our organization. This reduces the accessibility and thus the value of the entire Docker ecosystem.

Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies

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When you add up salary + benefits + workplace amenities + taxes + software licenses and whatnot, you get there mighty quick.

I don't know what you mean by taxes, my question is about 250k base, excluding bonuses, stock, and excluding the supposed monetary value of benefits/training/travel/home office whatnot

In the US, companies are responsible for paying 50% of the medicare and social security taxes for each of their employees.
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