We use Docker Desktop for the Mac at work. (Large company) Docker for Mac absolutely sucks. If they’re going to force everyone to pay they better start fixing bugs. They recently stopped allowing skipping a release unless you pay, and then promptly shipped a point release with a showstopper bug. I literally asked IT for a Linux VM/Cloud machine yesterday for development because my Mac is dead in the water due to a bu…
Our team uses it too, but we don't even use the UI - it's just to get the daemon started on startup. Is there a way to do this easily on the Mac without using Docker Desktop?
Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
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#342Earlier quoted context omitted.
This poster has clearly worked at the same kind of companies I have. Plenty of them would gladly burn 10x what it would cost to just buy the damn license on engineering man-hours switching something that's inferior but free. Because it doesn't show up as an expense on the annual budget. The concept of opportunity cost is completely lost on a lot of business leaders.
A lot of the driver here is not in the moment short-sightedness, but rather a byproduct of the procurement or other finance processes (ironically often instituted with intent to prevent waste and fraud or make the company more efficient). It’s not just the $250/yr/dev, but rather the requirements to create a new vendor in the ERP morass, to get approvals for an exception to the standards for payment terms (and/or met…
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#343Earlier quoted context omitted.
The places where I worked there's an inverse relationship - the smaller the cost, the harder it is to justify with finances. ($4000 monthly AWS bill for "testing purposes"? No questions asked. $10 wireless mouse? Mission impossible!)
In case you aren't aware, it's easy to explain by that fact that most finance departments are afraid to question your spendings on grounds of looking incompetent. So it's less about 10$ and more about: "I understand what a wireless mouse is and it doesn't look mission critical to me." "No idea what those items on that AWS bill mean, but I'll probably be better off not asking"
You have three rational choices: 1. Play the game, 2. Keep your head down, 3. Quit and move to a company that doesn't play those games.
Sitting around complaining that a big company has crappy inefficient processes is like complaining that water is wet. A complete waste of time and makes you look incompetent to other people in the company who are playing the game. These inefficient processes end up optimizing for people who know how to talk the code and cultivate the right relationships. Take advantage of that.
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#344Rancher Desktop is an open source container management and Kubernetes desktop app. https://rancherdesktop.io/ Disclosure: I work on Rancher Desktop. Feedback welcome.
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#345The forced updates I HATE. It's my machine, I get to pick the version of software it runs. And I've had enough bad updates from Docker to get jittery when it pushes one on me.
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#346Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry it is a bit confusing, the overall terms and conditions update is as of now, but the part about paying has a grace period but obviously we want people to know now what will apply. The terms are not very different from previous terms (although I did get the old no benchmarking clause removed, I don't know why we had that there).
> I did get the old no benchmarking clause removed, I don't know why we had that there Your company is probably not going to fare well in this thread, but thanks for this! No benchmarking clauses are gross. Glad to see someone with the means to remove one do so.
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#347Earlier quoted context omitted.
> all the others are also paid on Mac Hyperkit is open source software that works on macOS. https://minikube.sigs.k8s.io/docs/drivers/hyperkit/ Virtualbox is also a free (as in beer, and mostly libre) driver that works on all of windows/linux/macOS
Wait, so you're running your app on virtualized Linux inside Docker inside Linux inside Virtualbox inside native MacOS?
- MacOS running a hypervisor
- A Linux VM with Docker installed.
- A Linux container running on that VMs kernel.
Containers on Linux aren’t virtualized (normally, you could use runV I suppose if you wanted). The only overhead is the extra disk space to extract the root fs of the container image and the namespacing.
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#348For everyone who is against this change, can you please write up why? For a ton of small companies (anyone making $10 million or less per year) nothing is going to change and DD is still free to use. If you're at a big organization with let's say 200 developers chances are your company makes hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Even Docker's most expensive business plan would cost you 200 * $21 = $4,200 month. Pay…
This on top of some of the decisions in the past year like removing the ability to opt out of updates, and the issues that pop up when I don't expect it (crashes, file systems, etc) I am more inclined to find other solutions.
Re: Docker Desktop no longer free for large companies
#349For everyone who is against this change, can you please write up why? For a ton of small companies (anyone making $10 million or less per year) nothing is going to change and DD is still free to use. If you're at a big organization with let's say 200 developers chances are your company makes hundreds of millions of dollars a year. Even Docker's most expensive business plan would cost you 200 * $21 = $4,200 month. Pay…
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#350Earlier quoted context omitted.
When you add up salary + benefits + workplace amenities + taxes + software licenses and whatnot, you get there mighty quick.
I don't know what you mean by taxes, my question is about 250k base, excluding bonuses, stock, and excluding the supposed monetary value of benefits/training/travel/home office whatnot