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Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by moistly »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #74
ryandrake wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. Maybe this is Captain Obvious speaking, but poor impulse control seems like the single common denominator among a whole load of social ills that consistently land people in trouble (legal, financial, social, across lots of spectrums). From crimes of opportunity/passion, to short-tempers and "blowing up" on people in public…

poor impulse control This can be due to an old head injury. Head injury syndrome is a thing and one study found that upwards of 90 percent of people on Death Row had a history of head injury so severe that you could find evidence of it with an x-ray machine if there were no medical records. In other words the skull still bore the scars. So it went well beyond just a concussion.

Can also be due to hormonal issues, which in turn may be exacerbated by gut micro biome issues.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by jjulius »

tobr wrote: post #89
jjulius wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mistakes like this happen frequently whether the proceedings take place over Zoom, or in person in a courthouse. As multiple comments have pointed out, it's about showing a basic level of respect and awareness of your situation. This would be akin to accidentally showing up to a courtroom in a suit and forgetting that there's a decorative penis pin on your jacket because the last time you wore it you were at some sor…

Sorry, but I still don’t see how it’s relevant. What’s the problem with having a decorative penis pin on your jacket? If that’s the way you like to dress, enjoy yourself! Why should we accept that a judge is letting themselves be so provoked by these insignificant things? That doesn’t sound to me like a person who is able to impartially evaluate the case based on the law.

Five responses to your question have all said it shows a lack of respect for the judicial system and the situation one is in, and you are essentially spitting in the face of the judge. I truly don't know how to make it any clearer to you than that.

But I must ask again; would you show up to any kind of disciplinary hearing for yourself with "Buttfucker 3000" showing on your name badge?

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by DoreenMichele »

moistly wrote: post #91
DoreenMichele wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

poor impulse control This can be due to an old head injury. Head injury syndrome is a thing and one study found that upwards of 90 percent of people on Death Row had a history of head injury so severe that you could find evidence of it with an x-ray machine if there were no medical records. In other words the skull still bore the scars. So it went well beyond just a concussion.

Can also be due to hormonal issues, which in turn may be exacerbated by gut micro biome issues.

I'm sure there are many factors. At one point while very sick and homeless, I was coming across like a bipolar person to some degree. I did some research and adjusted my diet to shut that down.

I imagine that poverty and poor diet do all kinds of bad things to the populations that tend to be most at risk of ending up in jail in the US. I have at times fantasized about trying to do something about nutrition in the US prison system as a means of trying to break the cycle, but I'm probably never going to be in a position to do that.

Even the Bible posits that feeding people is the way to promote the peace, basically. Psychological research and firsthand experience suggest that's pretty sound as an approach.

Edit: See discussion here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16140867

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by Bud »

tobr wrote: post #64
jjulius wrote: post #3

This is the same judge who had a defendant join a Zoom hearing using the name, "Buttfucker 3000". https://www.vice.com/en/article/88ng9g/judge-has-no-patience...

Genuinely, why does it matter? Why should the judge waste any attention on things like that, things that have zero significance to the matter at hand?

Is it that hard to figure out? Choosing a name like that, on purpose, obviously connotes a certain innate disrespect for the judicial process.

That kind of obvious, blatant disrespect would not be tolerated in a traditional court proceeding. And it shouldn't be tolerated in an online proceeding, either.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by tobr »

jjulius wrote: post #92
tobr wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but I still don’t see how it’s relevant. What’s the problem with having a decorative penis pin on your jacket? If that’s the way you like to dress, enjoy yourself! Why should we accept that a judge is letting themselves be so provoked by these insignificant things? That doesn’t sound to me like a person who is able to impartially evaluate the case based on the law.

Five responses to your question have all said it shows a lack of respect for the judicial system and the situation one is in, and you are essentially spitting in the face of the judge. I truly don't know how to make it any clearer to you than that. But I must ask again; would you show up to any kind of disciplinary hearing for yourself with "Buttfucker 3000" showing on your name badge?

You really don’t have to ask, because what I personally would it wouldn’t do in various situations has nothing to do with what’s an appropriate response for someone who’s job it is to impartially evaluate evidence.

Even if the defendant literally did spit in the face of the judge, a good judge should not react in a way that would give anyone reason to think they let that affect their ruling.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by clipradiowallet »

jjulius wrote: post #92
tobr wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but I still don’t see how it’s relevant. What’s the problem with having a decorative penis pin on your jacket? If that’s the way you like to dress, enjoy yourself! Why should we accept that a judge is letting themselves be so provoked by these insignificant things? That doesn’t sound to me like a person who is able to impartially evaluate the case based on the law.

Five responses to your question have all said it shows a lack of respect for the judicial system and the situation one is in, and you are essentially spitting in the face of the judge. I truly don't know how to make it any clearer to you than that. But I must ask again; would you show up to any kind of disciplinary hearing for yourself with "Buttfucker 3000" showing on your name badge?

Perhaps for the exact reason you are implying - lack of respect for the judge and/or process.

People don't go to court because they "respect" the judicial process or the judge - they go because they are compelled by force or threats of force/imprisonment.

That said... it seems foolish to disrespect the judge, not because he/she deserves respect, but because they can abuse their power and punish you over slights to their ego. It's the same reason you don't run your mouth at a cop during a traffic stop - they would likely wield their small authority over you in a way that you found unpleasant.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by quantumBerry »

jjulius wrote: post #72
tobr wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuinely, why does it matter? Why should the judge waste any attention on things like that, things that have zero significance to the matter at hand?

If you knew you were in trouble at work, would you show up to your disciplinary hearing/meeting/whathaveyou with "Buttfucker 3000" written over your name on your badge in plain sight? The same thing generally applies to the courtroom - it's showing a lack of respect for, and understanding of, the situation one is in. Were a judge to think they may want to give an individual a lenient sentence, they may change their m…

The charge was for drug paraphernalia. There should be no respect at all of a tyrant enforcing such laws.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by tester756 »

tobr wrote: post #95
jjulius wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Five responses to your question have all said it shows a lack of respect for the judicial system and the situation one is in, and you are essentially spitting in the face of the judge. I truly don't know how to make it any clearer to you than that. But I must ask again; would you show up to any kind of disciplinary hearing for yourself with "Buttfucker 3000" showing on your name badge?

You really don’t have to ask, because what I personally would it wouldn’t do in various situations has nothing to do with what’s an appropriate response for someone who’s job it is to impartially evaluate evidence. Even if the defendant literally did spit in the face of the judge, a good judge should not react in a way that would give anyone reason to think they let that affect their ruling.

>Even if the defendant literally did spit in the face of the judge, a good judge should not react in a way that would give anyone reason to think they let that affect their ruling.

uhh, depends on the case?

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by whatthesmack »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #53
ryandrake wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. Maybe this is Captain Obvious speaking, but poor impulse control seems like the single common denominator among a whole load of social ills that consistently land people in trouble (legal, financial, social, across lots of spectrums). From crimes of opportunity/passion, to short-tempers and "blowing up" on people in public…

> Seems that some people just entirely miss that part of their upbringing, and suffer needlessly for it for the rest of their lives. ...and make things worse for the rest of us; but god forbid the state do anything about it with proactive evidence-based early-interventions or treat the perpetrators of crime with compassion and understanding too - otherwise it's called being soft-on-crime or worse: "liberal".

I wouldn't say that only the state is capable of helping. Most organizations that help in these situations currently in the US are private, often faith-based, and non-profit.

Also to mention... to challenge preconceptions about who's behind this stuff, the current US president (who many would consider "liberal" or "leftist") made great efforts and progress toward locking up lots of people ("tough on crime"), especially minorities, in the past. The last president (who many would consider more to the right of the political spectrum) actually did a lot to reform and fix that, especially for minorities.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by h2odragon »

rurp wrote: post #77
tobr wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuinely, why does it matter? Why should the judge waste any attention on things like that, things that have zero significance to the matter at hand?

Do you think that all courtroom rules of decorum are wasteful or just Zoom screen names? Like, if someone showed up to an in-person hearing wearing assless chaps and a beer straw hat, would that be fine? I'm not big on formality in general but I think that there are times when it makes sense to expect people to present themselves with a basic level of respect.

The run the air conditioning in those courtrooms at Arctic levels. the person in the assless chaps would freeze to the seats.

So far as I've seen hats aren't allowed either. I'd be willing to claim it as a religious necessity.

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