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Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by jandrese »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #74
ryandrake wrote: post #45

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> This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. Maybe this is Captain Obvious speaking, but poor impulse control seems like the single common denominator among a whole load of social ills that consistently land people in trouble (legal, financial, social, across lots of spectrums). From crimes of opportunity/passion, to short-tempers and "blowing up" on people in public…

poor impulse control This can be due to an old head injury. Head injury syndrome is a thing and one study found that upwards of 90 percent of people on Death Row had a history of head injury so severe that you could find evidence of it with an x-ray machine if there were no medical records. In other words the skull still bore the scars. So it went well beyond just a concussion.

It's an interesting correlation. It should be remembered that people with poor impulse control are more likely to find themselves in situations where several cranial injury is likely to occur. It may even be a vicious cycle.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by himinlomax »

jyrkesh wrote: post #61
himinlomax wrote: post #57

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Why do you assume it's the upbringing? It could be any kind of brain injury, in utero or post birth, heavy metal poisoning or simply genetic. This kind of behavior does not strike me as learned but rather as a deficiency. On top of that the defendant looks rather dumb.

I would assume it's the upbringing because I don't think impulse control is actually a very natural behavior. There's a reason it's called "primal rage". On the flip side, self-control, impulse control, being able to manage your emotions with a toolbox: these are skills that are learned, honed, and mastered. Sure, many people learn them through other means than from their parents, often as a survival necessity in the…

It's part of social functioning, and we obviously have genes for that purpose. Other social animals have comparable instincts, such as respect for dominance hierarchies among others.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by jjulius »

tobr wrote: post #79
mmmBacon wrote: post #70

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It does matter. These are serious matters and judges need respect for the court and the proceedings.

The judge is the one who is obstructing the proceedings by needlessly scolding the defendant and bringing attention to an embarrassing mistake.

Mistakes like this happen frequently whether the proceedings take place over Zoom, or in person in a courthouse. As multiple comments have pointed out, it's about showing a basic level of respect and awareness of your situation.

This would be akin to accidentally showing up to a courtroom in a suit and forgetting that there's a decorative penis pin on your jacket because the last time you wore it you were at some sort of party. You clearly didn't care enough about your situation to dot your i's and cross your t's, and it suggests to the judge that you think this is a farce, mistake or not.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by DoreenMichele »

jandrese wrote: post #81
DoreenMichele wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

poor impulse control This can be due to an old head injury. Head injury syndrome is a thing and one study found that upwards of 90 percent of people on Death Row had a history of head injury so severe that you could find evidence of it with an x-ray machine if there were no medical records. In other words the skull still bore the scars. So it went well beyond just a concussion.

It's an interesting correlation. It should be remembered that people with poor impulse control are more likely to find themselves in situations where several cranial injury is likely to occur. It may even be a vicious cycle.

I think it's worse than that. I think some of them take illicit drugs because they hate being that way and are trying to control it in the absence of a proper diagnosis and proper intervention. And then they get vilified as "addicts" for self medicating to keep themselves chilled out.

Edit: And of course there will always be the assholes with an excuse for their intentionally malicious behavior, which complicates the hell out of finding good solutions.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by elzbardico »

yomly wrote: post #69
tclancy wrote: post #56

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>Seems that some people just entirely miss that part of their upbringing I think it's worse than that: they get too much shock and awe beatings/ unpredictable rage from parents who were raised the same. It's a cycle/ disease. "My parents hit me and I turned out fine" is often a revealing statement. And a defense of parents who may not deserve it but coping with that is harder.

My parents did hit me and I did turn out fine. They did their best with the tools and knowledge they had available to them. Would I hit my kids? Probably not, I can see some value in it, but I think ultimately your parenting style shouldn't deviate too much from their own surroundings - that is what causes more harm IMO. YMMV So what does this statement reveal about me?

My mother hit me, I end up turning out fine but I don't physically discipline my son and I think my way is better than my mother's. Of course I know that I have the advantage of being a male, a big and strong male with a deep voice, but my wife also doesn't have any big discipline issue with our kids when she is alone with them for one or two weeks, and she also don't use physical punishment.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by rurp »

dheera wrote: post #67
jdavis703 wrote: post #49

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Roughly 300,000 people were assaulted in 2019 (last year of uniform crime stats from the FBI). The annualized amount of COVID-19 death is about 400,000.

Correction: 300,000 reported assaulted, not 300,000 assaulted.

Specifying that for only one side isn't exactly balanced. There were only 400,000 reported covid deaths as well.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by macintux »

dmitrygr wrote: post #26
dheera wrote: post #18

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It allows more people to go and attack her, and opens the door to much more violence in the future. Now instead of 1 predator knowing where she lives there are a million. Is that good? Transcripts should redact addresses and contact information.

I do not know if you know this, but back in the day, we used to publish entire doxxing books, listing everyone's address and home phone number. It was opt-out, and almost nobody did. Why are people today suddenly so worried about that?

Technology has made it far more dangerous. Swatting. Identity theft.

It wasn’t terribly practical for, say, a random person in Spain to harass, steal from, or cause the death of someone in the U.S. 20-30 years ago. Everything is global now.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by elzbardico »

tclancy wrote: post #56
ryandrake wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. Maybe this is Captain Obvious speaking, but poor impulse control seems like the single common denominator among a whole load of social ills that consistently land people in trouble (legal, financial, social, across lots of spectrums). From crimes of opportunity/passion, to short-tempers and "blowing up" on people in public…

>Seems that some people just entirely miss that part of their upbringing I think it's worse than that: they get too much shock and awe beatings/ unpredictable rage from parents who were raised the same. It's a cycle/ disease. "My parents hit me and I turned out fine" is often a revealing statement. And a defense of parents who may not deserve it but coping with that is harder.

I see constantly lots of parents that use physical punishment with their kids with lousy results. Violence delegitimize authority. You think your kids respect you, but they fear you. Like the subjects of a dictatorship they will be role model citizens under your eyes, and run all kind of "illegal activities" and you are not close. I know because my mom beat me. Yes, I ended up fine, DESPITE it, NOT BECAUSE of it.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by tobr »

jjulius wrote: post #83
tobr wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The judge is the one who is obstructing the proceedings by needlessly scolding the defendant and bringing attention to an embarrassing mistake.

Mistakes like this happen frequently whether the proceedings take place over Zoom, or in person in a courthouse. As multiple comments have pointed out, it's about showing a basic level of respect and awareness of your situation. This would be akin to accidentally showing up to a courtroom in a suit and forgetting that there's a decorative penis pin on your jacket because the last time you wore it you were at some sor…

Sorry, but I still don’t see how it’s relevant. What’s the problem with having a decorative penis pin on your jacket? If that’s the way you like to dress, enjoy yourself! Why should we accept that a judge is letting themselves be so provoked by these insignificant things? That doesn’t sound to me like a person who is able to impartially evaluate the case based on the law.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by moistly »

tclancy wrote: post #56
ryandrake wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. Maybe this is Captain Obvious speaking, but poor impulse control seems like the single common denominator among a whole load of social ills that consistently land people in trouble (legal, financial, social, across lots of spectrums). From crimes of opportunity/passion, to short-tempers and "blowing up" on people in public…

>Seems that some people just entirely miss that part of their upbringing I think it's worse than that: they get too much shock and awe beatings/ unpredictable rage from parents who were raised the same. It's a cycle/ disease. "My parents hit me and I turned out fine" is often a revealing statement. And a defense of parents who may not deserve it but coping with that is harder.

> It's a cycle/ disease.

It is only recently that we’ve (in the West) had a generation or two of the majority of us being raised without suffering direct experience of war.

Just as children who are abused often go on to be abusers in adulthood, I suspect societies that suffer war often become abusive post-war.

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