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Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by dheera »

jdavis703 wrote: post #46
dheera wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. I strongly think the justice system should be first and foremost protecting victims and not exposing them to more harm. That would encourage victims to not bring wrongdoings to trial in fear of their personal info being exposed. If someone is convicted, then yeah, go ahead and put them on a sex offender registry with their address. Loss of privacy is a consequence of their actions. That's justice. But god…

Everyone should be treated equally in the court. A court that prioritizes the victim is barely batter than having a system based on vigilante justice.

Well yes, so you start out by not publishing either party's address. If and when someone is convicted as a sex offender, it's reasonable to publish their address at that point, and continue to protect the victim's identity.

Re: Zoom court hearing postponed after accused found in same location as witness

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Post by jjulius »

tobr wrote: post #64
jjulius wrote: post #3

This is the same judge who had a defendant join a Zoom hearing using the name, "Buttfucker 3000". https://www.vice.com/en/article/88ng9g/judge-has-no-patience...

Genuinely, why does it matter? Why should the judge waste any attention on things like that, things that have zero significance to the matter at hand?

If you knew you were in trouble at work, would you show up to your disciplinary hearing/meeting/whathaveyou with "Buttfucker 3000" written over your name on your badge in plain sight?

The same thing generally applies to the courtroom - it's showing a lack of respect for, and understanding of, the situation one is in. Were a judge to think they may want to give an individual a lenient sentence, they may change their mind were they to find out that that individual is basically saying, "Fuck you and fuck all of this, I don't care."

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Post by DoreenMichele »

ryandrake wrote: post #45
sovietmudkipz wrote: post #11

I have seen this video before this HN post. There is a follow up video depicting our antagonist from a jail. He loses his temper and is put on mute. You can see from his body language how distressed he is. It disturbed me greatly. This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. I can only imagine the kind of environment that helps create a person like that… It is so sad.

> This young man appears to be able to go from 0 to 100 very quickly with little self control. Maybe this is Captain Obvious speaking, but poor impulse control seems like the single common denominator among a whole load of social ills that consistently land people in trouble (legal, financial, social, across lots of spectrums). From crimes of opportunity/passion, to short-tempers and "blowing up" on people in public…

poor impulse control

This can be due to an old head injury. Head injury syndrome is a thing and one study found that upwards of 90 percent of people on Death Row had a history of head injury so severe that you could find evidence of it with an x-ray machine if there were no medical records.

In other words the skull still bore the scars. So it went well beyond just a concussion.

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Post by gpm »

tobr wrote: post #64
jjulius wrote: post #3

This is the same judge who had a defendant join a Zoom hearing using the name, "Buttfucker 3000". https://www.vice.com/en/article/88ng9g/judge-has-no-patience...

Genuinely, why does it matter? Why should the judge waste any attention on things like that, things that have zero significance to the matter at hand?

Consider that the only power a judge has is to say things, and write things. The legal system only works if enough people respect it and do things just because the judge said to do the thing. Our society only works if the legal system keeps working.

Insisting that people respect the court is a large part of why this works. Even if maybe in some particular instance you could get away with not insisting on that, that's a dangerous experiment to run.

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Post by fennecfoxen »

yomly wrote: post #69
tclancy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Seems that some people just entirely miss that part of their upbringing I think it's worse than that: they get too much shock and awe beatings/ unpredictable rage from parents who were raised the same. It's a cycle/ disease. "My parents hit me and I turned out fine" is often a revealing statement. And a defense of parents who may not deserve it but coping with that is harder.

My parents did hit me and I did turn out fine. They did their best with the tools and knowledge they had available to them. Would I hit my kids? Probably not, I can see some value in it, but I think ultimately your parenting style shouldn't deviate too much from their own surroundings - that is what causes more harm IMO. YMMV So what does this statement reveal about me?

Well, my guess is you're trying to defend "occasional physical punishment on rare occasions, such as when a child has done something life-endangering." What this specifically reveals is some level of naïve obliviousness to the extant patterns of violence, both physical and emotional, which abusive parents apply to their kids in practice, and the emotional harms that many children will suffer under such disciplinary regime.

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Post by rurp »

tobr wrote: post #64
jjulius wrote: post #3

This is the same judge who had a defendant join a Zoom hearing using the name, "Buttfucker 3000". https://www.vice.com/en/article/88ng9g/judge-has-no-patience...

Genuinely, why does it matter? Why should the judge waste any attention on things like that, things that have zero significance to the matter at hand?

Do you think that all courtroom rules of decorum are wasteful or just Zoom screen names? Like, if someone showed up to an in-person hearing wearing assless chaps and a beer straw hat, would that be fine?

I'm not big on formality in general but I think that there are times when it makes sense to expect people to present themselves with a basic level of respect.

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Post by [deleted] »

yomly wrote: post #69
tclancy wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Seems that some people just entirely miss that part of their upbringing I think it's worse than that: they get too much shock and awe beatings/ unpredictable rage from parents who were raised the same. It's a cycle/ disease. "My parents hit me and I turned out fine" is often a revealing statement. And a defense of parents who may not deserve it but coping with that is harder.

My parents did hit me and I did turn out fine. They did their best with the tools and knowledge they had available to them. Would I hit my kids? Probably not, I can see some value in it, but I think ultimately your parenting style shouldn't deviate too much from their own surroundings - that is what causes more harm IMO. YMMV So what does this statement reveal about me?

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Post by tobr »

mmmBacon wrote: post #70
tobr wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Genuinely, why does it matter? Why should the judge waste any attention on things like that, things that have zero significance to the matter at hand?

It does matter. These are serious matters and judges need respect for the court and the proceedings.

The judge is the one who is obstructing the proceedings by needlessly scolding the defendant and bringing attention to an embarrassing mistake.

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Post by robrenaud »

dheera wrote: post #5
vnchr wrote: post #2

Either zoom has an opportunity to add a location-verification privacy nightmare of a feature, or a startup can make a zoom replacement for the unique needs of a remote justice system.

There is no way to "verify location" on a device that I own. My device can always spoof its location, does spoof location by default, and my device can run Zoom's code in an altered way. IMO the best way to facilitate this is for the courthouse to deliver an officially-sanctioned device on the date of the trial to everyone involved (defendants, attackers, witnesses, jurors, judges, lawyers), that device come with its…

Making courts cases slower, more expensive, and more cumbersome is probably not a net benefit to victims of violence. It is not as though the woman was was testifying against organized crime.

Muting or pausing the recordings during testimony of private information, or redacting them from the recording might be a good compromise.

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