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Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by reccanti »

shkkmo wrote: post #79
reccanti wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People on this site like to mindlessly parrot the “we’ve become too partisan and divided these days” narrative, but what are they actually proposing? Oh wait… https://twitter.com/rottenindenmark/status/14326439023229255...

That is an offensive, inaccurate and entirely unproductive comment. We are proposing a wide range of changes that would break or weaken the hold of the two party system in America. Our political system of pure winner takes all regional representation in partisanly gerrymandered districts strongly encourages negative partisanship and decreases the actual voice that voters have in how their country is run.

You can do that and also not date people who are against LGBT rights?

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by bigbillheck »

Most of those numbers don't seem particularly high.

The only one I thought was really surprising was: "A majority (59 percent) of Americans say that whether the person shares their views on having children is one of the most important or a very important consideration.", and that only because 59% seemed low.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by bboylen »

tristor wrote: post #55

Counter-intuitively, my parents have stayed happily married for a very long time and my dad is significantly more conservative than my mom (although my mom has become more "conservative" in the current decade in reaction to how extreme rhetoric on the left has become in the US). I am about to propose to my long-time partner who is significantly more to the left than I am (we are both to the left, I'm barely left of c…

Yes this is very true

As long as both people are open minded and try to assume positive intention (unless proved otherwise) I think differences are just fine.

I don't think I could date someone who could only accept the party line, whether D or R. It astonishes me the arrogance of people who think they have the world completely figured out and know the best solution for everything.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by seph-reed »

I think the people this effects the worst are those who don't subscribe to either party, or the idea of a "one-dimensional political spectrum" in general. The dominating political "sides" are full on ideologies at this point, and if you don't worship their sacred cow: you could only ever be the other side in their eyes.

So the price for not falling into the two-party trap is that you have to just keep your mouth shut in all situations, lest you be ousted.

Anecdote: all of my friends who very much aren't falling for this two-party nonsense have had a common experience of being called Trumpers, Leftists, Anti-fa, Rednecks, and every other slur one side throws at the other. I'm not sure if it's a real litmus test or not, but I start to worry now when I've been getting too much of one and not enough of the other.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by edgyquant »

jdsleppy wrote: post #50
Claudus wrote: post #2

My perception of the mindset of the typical liberal in the past was that it was more about making change for the benefit of everyone in the country (don’t worry conservatives , this will work out for the best). Now it is more about making change that benefits some at the expense of others (screw you conservatives). In order to push political agendas like this, political opposition needs to be more negatively portraye…

The big ticket, agreed upon progressive priorities are still for the benefit of all: Green New Deal, Medicare for all, accessible higher education. I find it more difficult to find policies for the common good coming from conservatives these days. Does anyone have examples?

The reason you don't know any is because

>policies for the common good coming

Is a political thing. You disagree with the average conservative on what constitutes policies for the common good.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by reccanti »

specialist wrote: post #80
reccanti wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People on this site like to mindlessly parrot the “we’ve become too partisan and divided these days” narrative, but what are they actually proposing? Oh wait… https://twitter.com/rottenindenmark/status/14326439023229255...

Hobbs is a gem. I just listened to the episodes on Political Correctness (#123) and Cancel Culture (#125). So good. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You're_Wrong_About FWIW, my SO voted for Trump. We just don't talk about politics, and somehow manage to make it work.

Those episodes were fantastic. It really shows how commentators latch on to the optics of the situation rather than the actual substance of what's trying to be addressed.

"We agree date rape is bad, but someone threw together a kinda-cringy powerpoint when trying to address it, so I guess we should do nothing"

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by leetcrew »

pessimizer wrote: post #69

This would be a good thing if it were true. Politics is not a product where your choice of whether to consume the red, blue, or green thing is an irrelevant expression of your personality or style. It's always life or death, and that fact is disguised when it doesn't mean your life or death. This survey is also corrupted by self-reporting. People like to pretend that they're more tolerant than they are (especially wh…

I disagree. I mean sure, it's a good thing (if true) that race is less significant than politics in choosing a partner, but why should we have to pick one?

unless you're part of a very select group of activists, politicians, or wealthy donors, your impact on world issues is pretty much negligible. the political opinions of the average person are much less significant than they might think. but what we can do is have a strong impact on the people who are actually in our lives, and that has very little to do with politics.

if I change my political positions to please a potential partner, that doesn't really change the big picture. if I refuse to date someone because of their political views, I again have not moved the needle at scale, but I have closed the door on a potentially happy partnership.

my parents have had a long and happy marriage despite deep disagreements over political issues. the disagreement is so strong that they had to agree years ago to simply not have those discussions. I guess that's not exactly the model of tolerance, but I am glad they found a way around that. if they hadn't, either my family would have been ripped in half, or I wouldn't have been born at all. and the rest of the world would be the same as it is today.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by jandrewrogers »

pessimizer wrote: post #69

This would be a good thing if it were true. Politics is not a product where your choice of whether to consume the red, blue, or green thing is an irrelevant expression of your personality or style. It's always life or death, and that fact is disguised when it doesn't mean your life or death. This survey is also corrupted by self-reporting. People like to pretend that they're more tolerant than they are (especially wh…

You are too pessimistic. Inter-racial marriage alone in the US went from ~3% in the 1960s to ~17% as of 2015 (Pew Research). In some regions of the US, such as the West, it is approaching 25% of all new marriages.

That is pretty well-mixed considering many people live in locales with few opportunities to date outside their race.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by logicchains »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #74
tenpies wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I agree, religion offers simple ways to classify actions as good or bad. Following the church teachings or priest's guidance was enough to make an individual confident they are a good person, doing good things. The unfortunate thing is that this sums up the current state of religious education because we've had a generation that was poorly taught, who then taught the next generation. Now the generation we are raisi…

This would be more convincing if Catholics - actually religious people in general - were known for exemplary morals. That's very much not the case. Religion is demonstrably useless when it comes to practical morality, because it's not in any sense a coherent and stable moral system. It's really about crafting individual and tribal justifications for arbitrary behaviours supported by various power hierarchies. Some ma…

> This would be more convincing if Catholics - actually religious people in general - were known for exemplary morals.

I'm not sure how you'd propose to measure that, but in terms of charitable giving at least religious people have been found to give significantly more: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/30/religious-p...

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by hollerith »

nradov wrote: post #53
nostrademons wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also don't forget the role of economic growth & opportunity. America is a country where millions of immigrants have put aside their cultural differences for the pursuit of money. Note that in areas where there is still a reasonable chance of getting rich - coastal California, for example, or NYC - people are still willing to put aside their differences to get rich. At least among the people who are actually getting r…

Economic mobility is highest in the Mountain West region, not coastal California or NYC. https://www.businessinsider.com/income-inequality-upward-mob...

Economic mobility is not the be-all and end-all of statistics: in particular, if everyone's income exactly doubles (and prices stay the same), then during that interval (the doubling) there was zero economic mobility.
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