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Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by draw_down »

pessimizer wrote: post #69

This would be a good thing if it were true. Politics is not a product where your choice of whether to consume the red, blue, or green thing is an irrelevant expression of your personality or style. It's always life or death, and that fact is disguised when it doesn't mean your life or death. This survey is also corrupted by self-reporting. People like to pretend that they're more tolerant than they are (especially wh…

In America, politics is indeed a middle class-dominated area where people choose their product. When matters do come down to life and death, such as in wars, the two teams do not proceed materially differently. There is a reason we had 20 years of war in Afghanistan for example, and it ain’t because only one of the teams kept it going.

I agree on your point about people’s view of their own tolerance.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by reccanti »

pessimizer wrote: post #69

This would be a good thing if it were true. Politics is not a product where your choice of whether to consume the red, blue, or green thing is an irrelevant expression of your personality or style. It's always life or death, and that fact is disguised when it doesn't mean your life or death. This survey is also corrupted by self-reporting. People like to pretend that they're more tolerant than they are (especially wh…

People on this site like to mindlessly parrot the “we’ve become too partisan and divided these days” narrative, but what are they actually proposing?

Oh wait…

https://twitter.com/rottenindenmark/status/14326439023229255...

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by barbacoa »

abecedarius wrote: post #68
CuriouslyC wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That has nothing to do with the policies of the region, and everything to do with the volume of taxing oil operations work that requires limited/no education and can pay 6 figures.

That largely comes down to out-of-control housing cost, which does owe to policy. Can't move up if you can't move in to where the economic growth is.

One of the motivation behind NIMBY is to maintain high property values and most of all keep out multi family housing in order to price out the lower classes. This results in huge differences in k-12 educational quality and thus opportunity, due to school zoning.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

tenpies wrote: post #66
adrianb wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, religion offers simple ways to classify actions as good or bad. Following the church teachings or priest's guidance was enough to make an individual confident they are a good person, doing good things. Meanwhile, in real life, everything is complex, few things are clearly good or bad, everything has advantages and disadvantages. People need a simple compass to distinguish good and bad. It seems the "politica…

> I agree, religion offers simple ways to classify actions as good or bad. Following the church teachings or priest's guidance was enough to make an individual confident they are a good person, doing good things. The unfortunate thing is that this sums up the current state of religious education because we've had a generation that was poorly taught, who then taught the next generation. Now the generation we are raisi…

This would be more convincing if Catholics - actually religious people in general - were known for exemplary morals.

That's very much not the case.

Religion is demonstrably useless when it comes to practical morality, because it's not in any sense a coherent and stable moral system.

It's really about crafting individual and tribal justifications for arbitrary behaviours supported by various power hierarchies. Some may be considered moral, while others are clearly damaging, hateful, and abhorrent.

It's impossible to deny this without denying centuries of religious history.

There's far more of value in psychological research than there is any religious teaching. Even though it's just getting started, it's a far more coherent body of knowledge than the random mess of conflicting and contradictory opinions and justifications that the religious industries have generated.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by mixmastamyk »

woodruffw wrote: post #17
mothsonasloth wrote: post #3

My 2 pennies: Living in a secular society where religion plays a reduced part on the individual, compared with 50 years ago. People now fill the gaps with other banners to fly and differentiate themselves with.

Without taking on the challenge of falsifying your claim (I think it’d be pretty hard), I see things a little differently. A key moment in the development of the current conservative mindset was Goldwater’s 1964 campaign, nearly 60 years ago by now. Goldwater (and every Republican who succeeded him) has used the same rhetorical lynchpins: the media cannot be trusted, it’s the coastal elites against the heartland, &c.…

Goldwater himself wasn't a fan of the increasing courting of religious folks in the 80s, nor their policies, and leaned libertarian as the years passed.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by [deleted] »

inglor_cz wrote: post #28
x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't make much sense. Especially since 50 years ago, your race mattered infinitely more than whatever religion or denomination you belonged to.

There was a lot of all-white communities in the USA back then, though. In those, people would search for other ways to think less of their neighbors. AFAIK Kennedy as the first Catholic president was considered somewhat of an outsider.

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Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

I've been thinking for a while this is really a form of speciation. Conservatives and progressives literally have different brain structures [1] as well as different world views and different psychological triggers.

When those differences lead to extreme aversion, they're going to be enhanced by evolution.

I'm not sure I want to speculate what the long-term result is likely to be.

[1]https://neuro.psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.neu...

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by nradov »

barbacoa wrote: post #73
abecedarius wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That largely comes down to out-of-control housing cost, which does owe to policy. Can't move up if you can't move in to where the economic growth is.

One of the motivation behind NIMBY is to maintain high property values and most of all keep out multi family housing in order to price out the lower classes. This results in huge differences in k-12 educational quality and thus opportunity, due to school zoning.

You're mischaracterizing typical NIMBY motivations. When I talk to those people they are mostly long term residents who are more concerned with quality of life issues like noise and traffic. They don't care as much about property values because they aren't planning to sell; they expect to die in their current homes. And they oppose new development even in cases where it would increase their own property values.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by shkkmo »

reccanti wrote: post #72
pessimizer wrote: post #69

This would be a good thing if it were true. Politics is not a product where your choice of whether to consume the red, blue, or green thing is an irrelevant expression of your personality or style. It's always life or death, and that fact is disguised when it doesn't mean your life or death. This survey is also corrupted by self-reporting. People like to pretend that they're more tolerant than they are (especially wh…

People on this site like to mindlessly parrot the “we’ve become too partisan and divided these days” narrative, but what are they actually proposing? Oh wait… https://twitter.com/rottenindenmark/status/14326439023229255...

That is an offensive, inaccurate and entirely unproductive comment.

We are proposing a wide range of changes that would break or weaken the hold of the two party system in America. Our political system of pure winner takes all regional representation in partisanly gerrymandered districts strongly encourages negative partisanship and decreases the actual voice that voters have in how their country is run.

Re: Partisan attachment: How politics is changing dating and relationships (2020)

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Post by specialist »

reccanti wrote: post #72
pessimizer wrote: post #69

This would be a good thing if it were true. Politics is not a product where your choice of whether to consume the red, blue, or green thing is an irrelevant expression of your personality or style. It's always life or death, and that fact is disguised when it doesn't mean your life or death. This survey is also corrupted by self-reporting. People like to pretend that they're more tolerant than they are (especially wh…

People on this site like to mindlessly parrot the “we’ve become too partisan and divided these days” narrative, but what are they actually proposing? Oh wait… https://twitter.com/rottenindenmark/status/14326439023229255...

Hobbs is a gem. I just listened to the episodes on Political Correctness (#123) and Cancel Culture (#125). So good.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You're_Wrong_About

FWIW, my SO voted for Trump. We just don't talk about politics, and somehow manage to make it work.

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