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Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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This article clearly suggests that you should use their own solution, Plausible Analytics. They are also JavaScript based, so how long before ad-blockers start blocking them too? Isn't it time to come back to server side analytics?

That's the main reason we promote the backend integration for Pirsch [0] so much. In the long run, JS will probably not be sufficient, depending on your target audience.

[0] https://pirsch.io/

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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The reason Firefox is higher is probably because it's the easiest one to block ads on mobile. Most people I know who use Firefox on mobile do so specifically to have ublock origin. I personally use chrome on desktop but Firefox on mobile.

With so many options for Chromium-based browsers, is there a reason why you still use Chrome? I personally use Edge on desktop and iPhone because I give so much data to Google by using a gmail account that it lightens the load a little bit to use something other than Chrome. It functions the same as far as I see and it runs all the same plugins.

My reason for using chrome is I don't mind it. I think I'm less suspicious of Google than most of HN. They don't allow extensions on mobile though

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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> It must be very disheartening to work on reddit's mobile site. You can probably cross "mobile" out of this entirely. Reddit have spent three years now building sites that are worse in every way than the decade old junker it's trying to replace.

Yes but if you use old.reddit.com and specify just the subreddits you want (eg http://old.reddit.com/r/truereddit+technology+science ) then you can still get something that's not too crappy.

I wonder how long it'll be before they phase out the old site.

For now I still use it because it's significantly faster and easier to use, but I strongly suspect they want me on their new site.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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That's why I prefer goaccess(1) over any other tool that uses client side Javascript. It's basically a real time website log analyser which gives you enough information to know whats happening on your website but doesn't require any pesky Javascript etc to do it. Also since it is works by analysing your log files it can never be blocked. (1) https://rt.goaccess.io/?20210826211303

By nature it won't filter out bots, however. One of my clients' website traffic is composed of over 75% bot traffic. Server-side logs are unusable for anything other than site performance.

The middle way is using something like Pirsch's API [0] from your backend.

[0] https://pirsch.io/

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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(I created that merge request) Blokada's UI is without peer and so it makes for a very good "just works" for the majority (in fact, from what I know, it is the most downloaded DNS-based content blocker on Android by far). However, it is disappointing that some of their decision-making is found wanting: https://www.reddit.com/r/privacytoolsIO/comments/papgeq/any_...

Forgive the questions, but you seem to be a good person to ask.. How does Blokada actually work? Its FAQ claims it: > prevents apps and browsers installed on your device from sending your private data (known as tracking fingerprints) to the Internet. Is it doing some kind of packet inspection? As a secondary layer of blocking I use DNS66 which intercepts DNS requests and fails them for blacklisted domains, by install…

> prevents apps and browsers installed on your device from sending your private data (known as tracking fingerprints) to the Internet.

For now, Blokada's utility is limited to DNS-based content blocking. It cannot and does not prevent most forms of fingerprinting.

> Is it doing some kind of packet inspection?

Yes, only DNS packet inspection, but even for the only thing it does, it is clumsy: It leaks DNS requests; that is, Blokada does not trap all DNS traffic on port 53, and it does not handle DNS queries sent over TCP. DNS66 has these same issues, too.

> As a secondary layer of blocking I use DNS66 which intercepts DNS requests and fails them for blacklisted domains, by installing itself as a virtual VPN - essentially a cooked /etc/hosts for Android.

Blokada uses the same trick (I mean, core parts of Blokada 4 code-base does bear similarities with DNS66 which preceded it... Blokada 5 however was re-written in Rust).

> Would Blokada work alongside that?

No, it cannot. But: Apps that support "DNS proxying" (like Nebulo [0]) can. It is quite an involved setup. I'd simply use Nebulo over DNS66, as it is not only more capable but also encrypts DNS traffic unlike Blokada 4 or DNS66.

> ...but you seem to be a good person to ask..

A disclosure, rather something to keep in mind: I have been accused of spreading fud by the Blokada lead developer and using it to "market" a "competitor" app I co-develop. In my defense, it wasn't / isn't fud what I spread, unless fud === uncomfortable truth.

[0] https://github.com/ch4t4r/Nebulo (fixed link, thanks u/NoGravitas)

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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There is a German movie about the system that is used to gather TV ratings. It's a special box that some users get which reports what they are watching. Small sample size goes into a big statistic (not sure how accurate the portrayal of the system in the movie is). These boxes are given to the people who pay the German public TV fee, which excludes i.e. students (they don't have to pay) and some other groups. This gr…

Don't modern internet-connected TV boxes snitch on what people are watching? Surely we don't need a sampling anymore? Just thinking that the elderly population is probably the least likely to use those boxes (though I am not even sure of that), whereas they constitute the (dying) core of traditional TV viewership.

Modern TVs do snitch but there are two issues with relying on that:

1. There is a disparity between age groups and other demographic dividers who have newer TVs. This could significantly skew the results for some advertisers.

2. The data is going to the TV manufacturer, and they will not share that freely between themselves or with anyone else. This will complicate collating the data as there are several entities to negotiate with in order to get an overall picture.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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There is a German movie about the system that is used to gather TV ratings. It's a special box that some users get which reports what they are watching. Small sample size goes into a big statistic (not sure how accurate the portrayal of the system in the movie is). These boxes are given to the people who pay the German public TV fee, which excludes i.e. students (they don't have to pay) and some other groups. This gr…

Don't modern internet-connected TV boxes snitch on what people are watching? Surely we don't need a sampling anymore? Just thinking that the elderly population is probably the least likely to use those boxes (though I am not even sure of that), whereas they constitute the (dying) core of traditional TV viewership.

And the tech savvy people never connect their "smart" tvs to the internet.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Does anyone have recommendation for static site hosting with simple server-side analytics? The only thing I can find is Netlify Analytics, but $9/mo is too much for hosting a few pages of OSS project documentations. If there's no complex interactivity achieveable only through JS, I prefer to ship sites with plain HTML/CSS, so I don't really like to use any client-side analytics. And yes – I can live without all the f…

How about Pirsch [0]? It starts at $4/month and you can set up as many sites as you want for up to 10k page views/month. That should be sufficient for most smaller sites.

[0] https://pirsch.io/

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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One of the reasons for mobile apps is that adblocking is disabled. Explains why Reddit promotes it so much. Similarly, wrapping websites like Discord or Slack in Electron also gives the website owners full telemetry and tracking that they can't get in a tech savvy browser. Would an always on VPN, a remote pihole be the only way for privacy?

> Explains why Reddit promotes it so much It must be very disheartening to work on reddit's mobile site. Not only is it deliberately made a miserable experience by forcing you through AMP via Google and insisting you "continue in browser" every time, but then you're greeted with a banner that outright says "this page is better in the app".

> It must be very disheartening to work on reddit's mobile site.

If they cared that much about whether or not what they were working on made the world better or worse they'd never have taken a job at Reddit.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Why is this even at the front page of HN? I give them credit for the brilliant marketing. This is an ad disguised as an article targeting the "tech savvy" by bundling HN and Reddit (a truth + a lie makes the statement more true), a common clickbait tactic > This makes sense especially considering how difficult it is to install an adblocker on Chrome, the most popular browser on mobile devices. Nope, it is really easy…

The headline is the perfect anti-Google HN-clickbait, and it is quite misleading. These people just run any ad-blocker, they mostly all block Google Analytics as a side-effect. The majority of those 58% probably don't care about GA specifically.
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