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Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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I run c64g.com

Back in the day I could choose ad formats and place them to be non-invasive. Since a while ago Adsense only has the responsive ad format. It stretches across the full width and is extremely high. I tried what they suggested to limit the size but it isn't working. The site looks nice without ads. And I personally hate so see it so full of ads. But server needs to be paid and I'd like to also earn something for my time and knowledge spent on developing the site and maintaining. There's a lot of work to be done there. I'd like the audience to be able to write their own reviews, upload images, maybe even offer a way to play those games in the browser. The site used to be #1 in search results, but since Google prefers wikis it's not anymore. I've also decided to not track my visitors via any trackers, so no piwik, no GA. Only server logs.

There's also legacy.c64g.com which despite not being listed anywhere anymore performs better than the main site in ad revenue. It has static banner ads that are not invasive.

I had a free forums service many years ago. German audience. Barely made server costs. I wanted of course to earn something for my time maintaining it so I put those annoying layer ads there. It was a downward spiral. The layer ads initially brought additional revenue, really nice revenue but people started protesting and after a while leaving and using adblockers, who could blame them. It was so full of ads it was unusable. I wrote an adblocker-blocker, which displayed a black screen if adblock was detected. That lead to people leaving even more. Eventually so many people left that removing the annoying ads resulted in not being able to pay the server rent and it had to close down.

Ads are a necessity for some sites (subscription based model won't work) Google is actively destroying the sites that choose to put those ads on them by removing choice of ad formats.

Recently I moved away from chrome on the phone for my daily browsing because Firefox allows me to install an adblocker add addon and chrome doesn't. Even worse are those cookie nag screens. Every top result on Google search has an annoying one. I blame the, sorry but it's true, idiots of the EU parliament who make half assed laws without taking care of the consequences. Remeber Shareware of the 90s? It's worse than that now. I wish there were cookie screen blockers. Lately I started to just navigate back when I visit a site with a modal cookie dialog that wants you to accept all by default. In most cases I don't bother to click anything anymore, if I visit your site and can't read the info I came for to read I will leave. Too bad there isn't a metric to count that.

GA is some of the worst spyware and since the US government has access to it whenever it desires it's also used to track individuals. It's one part of the huge spy apparatus the US shadow government built.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Adblocking an immoral tragedy of the commons type move. Psychologically, It's not unlike NIMBYism or residents of a gated community that figured out how to avoid paying their taxes.

You mean because the free internet is infrastructure belonging to all and ads are its maintenance?

I fundamentally disagree with this parable. I don't think common practices in advertising are a necessity, especially when it comes to analytics.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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> They faked the ratings away from stupid trash TV towards some higher quality stuff, documentaries, culture, ... Obviously in the movie then the country saw a renaissance, everyone got smarter, yadda yadda, you get it. > I feel like this is similar. All tech savvy people block ads and analytics and at least the known tricks they use against us. So the internet only tracks the defenseless people and is then built to…

>why should we put up with it? You, your friends, and your family personally don't have to put up with it. Ublock Origin can block ads on Youtube with ease.

It isn't available on all plateform utube is unfortunately.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

#374

I expected these numbers to be higher. However, an even more interesting metric is the 88% block in Firefox. Firefox may not have a great market share, but based on these numbers it's market share may very well be eight times higher than your analytics report. This can change the argument of "it's only 3% of our users so we don't need to test on FF" to "it's a quarter of our user base, we should at least test it", de…

>I expected these numbers to be higher.

Home vs office.

On my company laptop I am often not allowed to install software (but I'm allowed to develop the software that companies trust to handle billions of dollars in transactions) so my usage would look 60% chrome with no add blocking and 40% completely locked down firefox.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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What's the name of the movie? I'll add it to my watchlist

Free Rainer

This movie sounds great and I would love to watch it. It's a shame there's no legal way to watch many international movies like this if you are in the US.

I make a point of watching a non-US film on every international flight I take - I find it to be a unique opportunity to watch interesting non-US movies with English subs. I have discovered two excellent oddball comedies from in flight movies (Die Goldfische from Germany and Le Grand Partage from France), but when I tried to rewatch these films with others in the US, I discovered it was basically impossible. There must be so many other great movies from around the world we are missing out on.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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post #229

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Google has no incentive to support effective ad blocking on platforms they control (Android and Chrome). This has made us reluctant to develop for or invest time on these platforms – the platform owner would be working against what we would be trying to achieve.

What? Apple is even worse. There was a big cry when Google wanted to nuter adblockers API but Apple have done exactly the same thing. You fell into a pr stunt. Apple doesn't care for privacy. Just look at how they scan you pictures..

All prominent smartphone OS come with an advertising id. It wouldn't have to be this way. I think Android is open source done wrong to be honest.

But yes, in the end they are both crappy vendors.

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

#377
Why is this even at the front page of HN? I give them credit for the brilliant marketing.

This is an ad disguised as an article targeting the "tech savvy" by bundling HN and Reddit (a truth + a lie makes the statement more true), a common clickbait tactic

> This makes sense especially considering how difficult it is to install an adblocker on Chrome, the most popular browser on mobile devices.

Nope, it is really easy: is just an extension https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/adblock-%E2%80%94-...

It makes me think Reddit users are inflating/manipulating this article w/ votes and comments

Correction: "difficult to install adblocker on mobile devices"

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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It would be 100% if I could do it on mobile.

Android offers Private DNS, just point that at nextdns.io and block things even within apps that aren't browsers. The biggest benefit is definitely the sheer speed at which news websites load on my phone now, even when I'm on a crap connection. Another benefit: This isn't a VPN, so you can still use a VPN whilst using Private DNS. Edit: Also... lol, I can't access TFA as plausible.io is also blocked on my network and…

Nextdns is giving me an ID. Why would I want to be tracked by unique ID? That's even worse than GA

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Well, you say that, but isn't that exactly why Netflix got rid of ratings? All the documentaries were getting really high ratings, so would display highly in searches, but not many people actually watched them. It's the same for most content, I read a huge amount. I do read some intellectual books, but only occasionally. The rest of the time I read utter, thoroughly entertaining, trash. I don't want to read about an…

> Well, you say that, but isn't that exactly why Netflix got rid of ratings? > All the documentaries were getting really high ratings, so would display highly in searches, but not many people actually watched them. This rather shows that ratings do work, but are used wrongly for giving recommendations: If you want to create suggestions for a user, in many case the wrong answer is "suggest what has really high ratings…

Predicting exactly this was the premise of the famous Netflix Prize, one of the first open machine learning challenges https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netflix_Prize

Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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I don't get your comment, sorry. By server side analytics I meant using a tool like AWStas or Webalizer which parse web server logs to tell you how much visitors you had on your site. I can't see how it can be blocked.

They meant that "Plausible Analytics" are blocked a whole lot too.

exactly (can't edit original post anymore, sorry)
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