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Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Post by atoav »

turbinerneiter wrote: post #15

There is a German movie about the system that is used to gather TV ratings. It's a special box that some users get which reports what they are watching. Small sample size goes into a big statistic (not sure how accurate the portrayal of the system in the movie is). These boxes are given to the people who pay the German public TV fee, which excludes i.e. students (they don't have to pay) and some other groups. This gr…

As someone who has been in one or another meeting with German TV stations I can assure you this is not completely far fetched. The people deciding what is running at these stations are of the mindset (a translated quote):

> Our average viewer is 65 years old and watches TV while doing the dishes, we must not show things that cannot be understood by them

and then they will serenade about how they would "love to have a bit more sophisticated things", but as they are the only ones who really understand their audience, they cannot allow this, although they support the values of the 68 generation etc. pp.

From my standpoint the German television landscape is completely doomed, because the people at the levers are in the illusion they do the good thing for "the small man" while in fact they just think the small man is incomprehensible stupid and must not ever be confronted with content that shows them that there is still stuff to learn and understand in the world.

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Post by robin_reala »

randomperson_24 wrote: post #249

This is highly inaccurate. The author is using Plausible via a proxy but Google Analytics directly (a very biased way to do things). Secondly, PiHole, uBlock origin and most other adblockers also block Plausible analytics (there are discussions on their own Github Issues regarding it). If you are proxying Plausible to get accurate readings, same should be done with GA.

I don’t read this as Plausible vs GA but server-side anything (including a GA proxy) vs client-side GA. in that case, it doesn’t seem like these figures should be wildly wrong.

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Post by gruez »

jobigoud wrote: post #275
gruez wrote: post #245

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Put tape over it?

They could put an IR camera right next to the remote sensor. Since it's behind a glass that is opaque to visible-light you wouldn't even know the camera's there, and if you put tape on it your remote wouldn't work anymore.

>Since it's behind a glass that is opaque to visible-light you wouldn't even know the camera's there

If it's opaque to visible light how does the camera produce an image?

>if you put tape on it your remote wouldn't work anymore.

Not really? You just have to be more careful placing the tape. Besides, nowadays many smart TV have app remote controls, or RF-based remote controls so the IR sensor being blocked is a non-issue

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Post by FabHK »

Dah00n wrote: post #229
happybuy wrote: post #71

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Google has no incentive to support effective ad blocking on platforms they control (Android and Chrome). This has made us reluctant to develop for or invest time on these platforms – the platform owner would be working against what we would be trying to achieve.

What? Apple is even worse. There was a big cry when Google wanted to nuter adblockers API but Apple have done exactly the same thing. You fell into a pr stunt. Apple doesn't care for privacy. Just look at how they scan you pictures..

No, other cloud providers scan all the pictures you upload. Apple does a careful private set intersection (partially on the client, partially on the server) on all the pictures you upload to collect strictly less data than other cloud providers.

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Post by qualudeheart »

sodality2 wrote: post #190
qualudeheart wrote: post #119

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I’m still surprised more apps don’t have inbuilt marketplaces and then take a cut of payments. Reddit could do this. Users sell to each other through an Etsy like interface. Reddit takes 5% of each transaction. This solves Reddits existing inability to monetize through ads as successfully as their major competitors.

What would be sold on a Reddit market?

Special goods catered to specific subreddits.

On /r/fishing you obviously sell fishing supplies. On /r/$political_faction you sell bumper stickers with slogans. /r/nonbinary you sell pronoun pins.

It would be like an etsy or a shopify store for each subreddit with a UI that reflects that. It could also be a big Amazon style UI for a sitewide shop.

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Post by jobigoud »

ponytech wrote: post #259
timdaub wrote: post #83

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They are blocked a whole lot too, see my comment in the thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28365505

I don't get your comment, sorry. By server side analytics I meant using a tool like AWStas or Webalizer which parse web server logs to tell you how much visitors you had on your site. I can't see how it can be blocked.

They meant that "Plausible Analytics" are blocked a whole lot too.

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Post by sofixa »

perryizgr8 wrote: post #268
cookie_monsta wrote: post #226

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But then again Netflix et al, zero ads Spotify premium, zero ads I think it's just a question of coming up with the right model. Assuming that failed examples are the rule isn't all that useful

For now, Netflix and Spotify have no ads. I have a feeling that if these companies feel the pinch during a bad quarter or two, they will 100% start introducing ads. That's how business works, they want to maximize revenue. TV publishers have traditionally charged a fee on top of the ads. That demonstrates that audiences are fine with it. 100% Netflix and Spotify will eventually have ads.

> TV publishers have traditionally charged a fee on top of the ads. That demonstrates that audiences are fine with it. 100% Netflix and Spotify will eventually have ads.

Or maybe the huge success of Netflix and to a lesser extent Spotify is in no small part because they don't have ads and they know it?

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Post by nullc »

scotty79 wrote: post #164

How do you deal with "please disable adblocker" messages? I found them way more annoying than the ads themselves.

The blockers also block most of those. When that fails I find the back button works pretty well.

If it's a popup for something I don't have a choice about using (e.g. a government site), right clicking the offending element choosing inspect and then deleting it out of the dom usually solves the problem.

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