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Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics

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Post by dgan »

tmslnz wrote: post #200
thinkingemote wrote: post #58

One of the reasons for mobile apps is that adblocking is disabled. Explains why Reddit promotes it so much. Similarly, wrapping websites like Discord or Slack in Electron also gives the website owners full telemetry and tracking that they can't get in a tech savvy browser. Would an always on VPN, a remote pihole be the only way for privacy?

I found NextDNS to be relatively convenient and easy to set up even for a lay audience. Definitely easier than a PiHole or a custom `dnsmasq` setup, and it offers mobile configuration client apps. What I do not know is if it will work also when apps begin using DNS over HTTPS… I suppose not?

I have been using NextDNS for couple of days, but since I don't have a static IP, it's obviously not so convenient, I have to reset my IP every time it changes But otherwise, absolutely great, awesome statistics about blocked/requested domains, countries, etc...

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Post by Dah00n »

happybuy wrote: post #101
anon9001 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you collect your analytics?

On our website we have no analytics or trackers installed at all. The app usage statistics come via the Apple App Store. App Store users can opt out of these stats via an OS-level setting.

Opt out? It should be an opt in system in a for-privacy app.

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Post by NiloCK »

dgudkov wrote: post #110

It amazes me that over the last 10-20 years an astonishing amount of money and intellectual capital have been invested in adtech and crypto but nothing in micropayments. Ads are evil, but it will remain a moot point until we have working micropayments. We have (and will have) ads with all their downsides exactly because we don't have micropayments, because ads basically work as a substitute to micropayments.

Here's one cryptocurrency PoC on micropayments: https://web3torrent.statechannels.org/

More directly to your point, I think lots of people have made attempts at micropayment protocols. The difficulty is psychological rather than technical - the cumulative mental burden of repeatedly deciding whether to part with a tenth of a cent "costs" much more than value being exchanged.

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Post by markosaric »

scrollaway wrote: post #166
throwawayswede wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with you, unfortunatley that is still technically considered the tech-savvy crowd, amongst others at least.

The audience isn't even sort of comparable to Hacker News though, so putting both in the same headline is weird. There was some correlation long ago, now not so much. The Firefox numbers above are a much better tell of what a "largely tech savvy crowd" looks like. 88%.

Depends really on the subreddit in question. The traffic to the blog post that was analyzed came from /r/linux which should be more tech savvy than the average web user and also more tech savvy than the average Reddit user (i would put /r/linux audience close to the Hacker News audience)

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Post by cookie_monsta »

jsymolon wrote: post #171
sofixa wrote: post #145

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> but nothing in micropayments That's not true. Web Monetization is built on top of the Interledger and does precisely that - micropayments for web content. When i wrote about it[0] and posted on HN[1] the overwhelming response here was negative, presupposing greed and lack of privacy of everyone ( as in the website would still track and run ads to earn more money, etc.). The solutions exist, people just don't want t…

> overwhelming response here was negative, presupposing greed and lack of privacy of everyone Because the history of other platforms which have done this, shows that ads didn't go away. Cable TV, full of ads. Satellite Radio, not too bad but still has ads.

But then again Netflix et al, zero ads

Spotify premium, zero ads

I think it's just a question of coming up with the right model. Assuming that failed examples are the rule isn't all that useful

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Post by TchoBeer »

hotgeart wrote: post #95
thinkingemote wrote: post #58

One of the reasons for mobile apps is that adblocking is disabled. Explains why Reddit promotes it so much. Similarly, wrapping websites like Discord or Slack in Electron also gives the website owners full telemetry and tracking that they can't get in a tech savvy browser. Would an always on VPN, a remote pihole be the only way for privacy?

> One of the reasons for mobile apps is that adblocking is disabled. That and revenue is much higher on apps than on the web. I made an android apps for a website. And just alone the android apps made more money than the web version. With less ads.

Maybe it having less ads made it a better experience, thus bringing in more ad revenue?

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Post by 3np »

thinkingemote wrote: post #58

One of the reasons for mobile apps is that adblocking is disabled. Explains why Reddit promotes it so much. Similarly, wrapping websites like Discord or Slack in Electron also gives the website owners full telemetry and tracking that they can't get in a tech savvy browser. Would an always on VPN, a remote pihole be the only way for privacy?

> Would an always on VPN, a remote pihole be the only way for privacy?

Maybe for now, but it's just a matter of time until use of DoH to circumvent your attempts at redirecting DNS becomes more widespread as well.

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Post by Dah00n »

happybuy wrote: post #71
telesilla wrote: post #52

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Can you make this for Android?

Google has no incentive to support effective ad blocking on platforms they control (Android and Chrome). This has made us reluctant to develop for or invest time on these platforms – the platform owner would be working against what we would be trying to achieve.

What? Apple is even worse. There was a big cry when Google wanted to nuter adblockers API but Apple have done exactly the same thing. You fell into a pr stunt. Apple doesn't care for privacy. Just look at how they scan you pictures..
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