So proud of the plausible guys for getting to the top of HN. I remember reading about them in 2019 on indie hackers! All the best
Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics
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Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics
#192The remaining 42% of users work in adtech and need to monitor their own product, are stuck on some platform where an adblocker is not possible, or are they just masochistic ?
A lot of people in adtech block ads.
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#193I expected these numbers to be higher. However, an even more interesting metric is the 88% block in Firefox. Firefox may not have a great market share, but based on these numbers it's market share may very well be eight times higher than your analytics report. This can change the argument of "it's only 3% of our users so we don't need to test on FF" to "it's a quarter of our user base, we should at least test it", de…
> The best you can do is use server side UA inspection
No, the best you can do is to stop caring. A distant second is this "server side UA inspection." Whatever that means exactly.
Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics
#194This article clearly suggests that you should use their own solution, Plausible Analytics. They are also JavaScript based, so how long before ad-blockers start blocking them too? Isn't it time to come back to server side analytics?
I've noticed several plausible.js's blocked by uBlock origin. Not sure how, maybe pattern matching? I doubt it was manually in any blocklists as it was a small personal blog.
Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics
#195I expected these numbers to be higher. However, an even more interesting metric is the 88% block in Firefox. Firefox may not have a great market share, but based on these numbers it's market share may very well be eight times higher than your analytics report. This can change the argument of "it's only 3% of our users so we don't need to test on FF" to "it's a quarter of our user base, we should at least test it", de…
Doesn't Firefox still include google analytics into its Preferences dialog boxes or something? Im finding these stats ironic.
I don't have any proof or study on it, but I suspect they don't do it. My anecdotal evidence is that I use an application firewall and Firefox by itself pings only telemetry.mozila.org or accounts.mozilla.org and stuff like that. It uses domains that explicitly say what they mean to be used for. At least in my experience
Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics
#196I expected these numbers to be higher. However, an even more interesting metric is the 88% block in Firefox. Firefox may not have a great market share, but based on these numbers it's market share may very well be eight times higher than your analytics report. This can change the argument of "it's only 3% of our users so we don't need to test on FF" to "it's a quarter of our user base, we should at least test it", de…
Doesn't Firefox still include google analytics into its Preferences dialog boxes or something? Im finding these stats ironic.
Mozilla has a special agreement with Google about how their analytics data is stored and handled. I thought they only used it on their websites but it is not impossible that they use it for software telemetry.
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#197There is a German movie about the system that is used to gather TV ratings. It's a special box that some users get which reports what they are watching. Small sample size goes into a big statistic (not sure how accurate the portrayal of the system in the movie is). These boxes are given to the people who pay the German public TV fee, which excludes i.e. students (they don't have to pay) and some other groups. This gr…
Is this the fee you have to pay even if you are blind or deaf, or do not have a Radio or TV? Gives you the most boring TV News in the world, plus 600 movies per year nobody wants to watch, because they are horrible? But they collected the tax and they have to spend it, as the German actors guild is worst than a cartel? :-) https://www.german-way.com/germanys-tv-tax-the-debate-over-t...
> Is this the fee you have to pay even if you are blind or deaf [...]
That's not correct. If you are deaf, you get a reduction - if you are blind, you get a reduction. If you are deaf-blind, you don't pay at all. If you are already receiving financial help because of your blindness, you don't pay at all.
Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics
#198"All in all, the difference in stats would mostly come from people blocking the Google Analytics script. Google Analytics is listed on many blocklists while the Plausible proxy runs as a first-party connection and is not." So what exactly does Plausible do to avoid being blocked in the same manner? What prevents GA from doing the same?
> So what exactly does Plausible do to avoid being blocked in the same manner? It seems they serve plausible from the same server as the origin website (first party), probably under an unique name, which means you need to block the script manually on every domain instead of simply blacklisting `plausible.io` (for example). > What prevents GA from doing the same? That's a good question. Probably ease-of-use (no need t…
IIRC, It is possible to serve Google Analytics script on your server if you really insisted in doing it: https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/save-your-analytics-from-c...
Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics
#199Only 58%? I expected 95% at least.
Re: Tech-savvy audiences block Google Analytics
#200One of the reasons for mobile apps is that adblocking is disabled. Explains why Reddit promotes it so much. Similarly, wrapping websites like Discord or Slack in Electron also gives the website owners full telemetry and tracking that they can't get in a tech savvy browser. Would an always on VPN, a remote pihole be the only way for privacy?
I found NextDNS to be relatively convenient and easy to set up even for a lay audience. Definitely easier than a PiHole or a custom `dnsmasq` setup, and it offers mobile configuration client apps.
What I do not know is if it will work also when apps begin using DNS over HTTPS… I suppose not?