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Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Can anyone explain this?

"So early on, Newsom identified some key wildfire prevention projects, and that includes things like forest thinning and prescribed burns, and they were meant to protect some of the most vulnerable communities in California. And he claimed 90,000 acres were treated, but we found that's not true. The state's own data shows that, in reality, it was less than 12,000 acres, so just a fraction of what Newsom claimed. And looking at the bigger picture, not just those specific projects, we also found that the state's fire prevention work overall dropped by half last year, which was the worst wildfire season on record for California. And during that time, Newsom also slashed about $150 million from the state's wildfire prevention budget."

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/25/1010382535/gavin-newsom-misle...

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

#112
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a thought experiment, I wonder what it would cost to build a European village scale town for 22k people (the population of SLT) and then literally build a moat around it as a firebreak.

Probably more effective to mandate less flammable construction, and stop forcing insurance companies to cover homes that have burned multiple times.

California also has government sponsored fire insurance for property owners that can't obtain commercial insurance. While this is good for individual property owners it's not really fair that taxpayers have to subsidize them. We're not allowing the free market to efficiently price in risks.

https://www.cfpnet.com/

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

#113
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a thought experiment, I wonder what it would cost to build a European village scale town for 22k people (the population of SLT) and then literally build a moat around it as a firebreak.

The moat won’t work as well as you probably think. A lot of the problem comes from the sky raining down embers on flammable roofs and such...

A moat is not a horrid idea.

When Paradise was burning I was thinking if I lived in a fire prone envionment; I would have sprinklers on roof of my home. It would be a simple 1/2" copper pipe feeding a few sprinkler heads on the roof. Maybe a few mercury switches placed around the property, or remotely controlled through the phone line, wifi, or sat phone enabled? Nothing too elaborate. It wouldn't protect everyone. It might save a few house fires that were started with embers though?

I know there one company selling roof fire sprinklers. I know of one small city who's experimenting right now with roof sprinklers. Hell, I wouldn't mind firing a bunch of Firefighters, and seeing that money go to Roof Sprinklers. (I haven't quite figured out exactly what Firefights do all day, with the hard exception of Paramedics. Buildings in cities don't burn like they used too. Wood stick homes in the country are another story.)

I heard one guy say that there wouldn't be enough water pressure if everyones roof was on, but that doesn't make sence either. Not everyone's roof sprinklers would be going off simultaneously if properly implemented, and designed. Firehouses could be in charge of which houses sprinklers go off?

Right now in CA, if you live in a fire prone area, Insurance (Property) is not suspose to be higher. As much as I despise Insurance companies--this provision needs to be nixed. (I don't think it will happen because Insurance companies use it to raise our city insurance rates, and politicians have northern cabins.

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#114

The US National Forrest and Calfire have been on the losing side of this fire so far. All the technology that produces memes that spread across the globe in seconds and launches and lands orbital rockets flawlessly cannot stop this fire. This has been a dry summer which can be attributed to global warming. I for one am not a defeatist that will let global warming beat me. We need to think of solutions to fires like t…

We need to apply Phos-Chek from ground based units Phos Chek is not great for the environment, especially to aquatic life. So ideally there'd be some solution that doesn't use more of it. agricultural level irrigation at the ready The fires are exacerbated by California's long term drought, if there's large quanties of water laying around, then they probably wouldn't have such a bad fire season. Inhabited locations i…

>I think there should be a re-evaluation of whether or not to let people build or rebuild in especially fire-prone areas.

I expect large swaths of the Sierras will soon be uninsurable for all practical purposes. Anybody with a mountain home with a mortgage will be SOL.

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

#115

The Reasons Behind California’s Wildfire | Lacy Schoen https://youtu.be/GL1Tnn5u6ng

That video is produced by the Epoch Times.

From wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times

> The Epoch Times is a far-right international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement.

> The Epoch Media Group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccine misinformation. In 2020, The New York Times called it a "global-scale misinformation machine".

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

#116
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that the actual global atmospheric warming is minimal, 0.14 C/decade. [0] The actual problem is climate change in the western part of the United States, coupled with higher population density, poor forest management, and poor power line maintenance. [0] https://www.drroyspencer.com/2021/08/uah-global-temperature-...

It's worth pointing out that the source here - Dr. Roy Spencer - has some incredibly controversial views in this area. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_%28scientist%29

That is certainly true! Doesn’t mean he’s wrong, though.

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

#117
I saw this map of roughly the last major fire in California:

https://projects.capradio.org/california-fire-history/#6/38....

Looks like it's missing after 2019, but what sticks out to me is the difference in scale of past fires and current fires. If you imagine where the Dixie fire or last year's August Complex would fit in, they take up relatively huge amounts of the map.

I'm sure at some point in the next 10-20 years, we'll have burned through most of the available fuel and wildfires won't be as bad. Of course, that's a pretty sad end state.

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Sad but probably efficient. I'm in bc where we've been devastated by forest fires, with cities burning and thousands evacuated. And yet, every other time I get out into the forest I see idiots smoking their freaking joints. The soil is half buried in super dry pine needles, but people still want their kick.

Do you think that smokin' a joint is really enough to set off something like this? Because it's clearly a combination of things that are required to create a fire of this magnitude. Sure a joint could "start a fire" but a lot of other things could too. Maybe we just don't like to admit it but climate change is here and it's here for real.

Wildfires can start from something as benign as a poorly managed manure pile.

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

#119

Can anyone explain this? "So early on, Newsom identified some key wildfire prevention projects, and that includes things like forest thinning and prescribed burns, and they were meant to protect some of the most vulnerable communities in California. And he claimed 90,000 acres were treated, but we found that's not true. The state's own data shows that, in reality, it was less than 12,000 acres, so just a fraction of…

"we also found that the state's fire prevention work overall dropped by half last year"

that is utterly not true by any stretch of the words .. it is literally political theater hit piece. see for yourselves...

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/04/13/governor-newsom-signs-land...

https://fmtf.fire.ca.gov/press-publications/

the claim is that a particular State of Calif, Dept of Forestry perhaps, program was supposed to thin acreage and had not done more than 12,000, and that is proof of the entire effort failing and unfunded?

this seems to be the kind of writing that relies on a complete lack of history and context on the part of the reader, on the subject timeline and any previous events

The State of Calif. has been very, very, very active along with a hundred high tech partners and the state resident academics. Huge volumes of money are in play as the State is rich at the moment. It strains the credibility of the printed word to pass on these rumors and tortured phrases for some backroom purpose. amazing

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, we need to stick with global warming. Overwhelmingly the direction is warming.

Except that the actual global atmospheric warming is minimal, 0.14 C/decade. [0] The actual problem is climate change in the western part of the United States, coupled with higher population density, poor forest management, and poor power line maintenance. [0] https://www.drroyspencer.com/2021/08/uah-global-temperature-...

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