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Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Post by dav »

burlesona wrote: post #39
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #21

The US National Forrest and Calfire have been on the losing side of this fire so far. All the technology that produces memes that spread across the globe in seconds and launches and lands orbital rockets flawlessly cannot stop this fire. This has been a dry summer which can be attributed to global warming. I for one am not a defeatist that will let global warming beat me. We need to think of solutions to fires like t…

As a thought experiment, I wonder what it would cost to build a European village scale town for 22k people (the population of SLT) and then literally build a moat around it as a firebreak.

The moat won’t work as well as you probably think. A lot of the problem comes from the sky raining down embers on flammable roofs and such...

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Post by s0rce »

burlesona wrote: post #39
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #21

The US National Forrest and Calfire have been on the losing side of this fire so far. All the technology that produces memes that spread across the globe in seconds and launches and lands orbital rockets flawlessly cannot stop this fire. This has been a dry summer which can be attributed to global warming. I for one am not a defeatist that will let global warming beat me. We need to think of solutions to fires like t…

As a thought experiment, I wonder what it would cost to build a European village scale town for 22k people (the population of SLT) and then literally build a moat around it as a firebreak.

Need a massive moat, spot fires from embers can cross large rivers already in high wind events.

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Post by edge17 »

prawn wrote: post #36
larkinrichards wrote: post #16

Was planning to hike the JMT starting tomorrow from cottonwood meadow and ending on the 22nd. Permits canceled at 6pm tonight. Anyone got recommendations for a last minute 20 day off grid vacation? Have car, supplies, ready to go.

Array of 2-5 day options in Utah, if you haven't done much there before? Buckskin Gulch, Salt Creek Canyon, into The Maze overlook, Coyote Gulch, etc.

If you're into canyoneering, you could just spend a while canyoneering in Zion and camping on BLM outside the park or get one of the walk in spots in the park (which I think you can just keep indefinitely until you decide to check out)

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Post by s0rce »

larkinrichards wrote: post #16

Was planning to hike the JMT starting tomorrow from cottonwood meadow and ending on the 22nd. Permits canceled at 6pm tonight. Anyone got recommendations for a last minute 20 day off grid vacation? Have car, supplies, ready to go.

Humbolt-Toyaibe NF in NV. I think you can avoid the smoke maybe in a mountain range in the South/Central part of the state.

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Post by wyre »

thehappypm wrote: post #31
markdown wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> global warming Calling it that can be a trap. Stick to climate change.

No, we need to stick with global warming. Overwhelmingly the direction is warming.

I’ll stick with ‘impending climate disaster’ as winters are getting colder and more intense and infrastructure is more likely to fail in cold than heat.

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Post by Johnny555 »

burlesona wrote: post #39
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #21

The US National Forrest and Calfire have been on the losing side of this fire so far. All the technology that produces memes that spread across the globe in seconds and launches and lands orbital rockets flawlessly cannot stop this fire. This has been a dry summer which can be attributed to global warming. I for one am not a defeatist that will let global warming beat me. We need to think of solutions to fires like t…

As a thought experiment, I wonder what it would cost to build a European village scale town for 22k people (the population of SLT) and then literally build a moat around it as a firebreak.

Winds can carry burning debris hundreds of feet through the air, so it'd need to be more like a village in the middle of a lake. Though it wouldn't have to be a lake, just a barren field that has no (or limited) combustables. But would still need to be quite large for protection, and buildings would still need to be fire resistant to protect against burning embers.

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Post by jjulius »

bpodgursky wrote: post #25
jdavis703 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Biden manages national forests, Newsom had no say.

Newsom had opportunities to get PG&E to bury power lines before they burned down half the state.

Newsom has been governor for two years, and you expect that all power lines in fire-risk areas could've been buried in that amount of time? And in national forests controlled by the federal government, not the state/Newsom?

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Post by bsder »

pokstad wrote: post #3

Perfect timing for Newsom

It is what it is. Part of leading the world's sixth largest economy is that the scale of your disasters is also bigger.

I'm surprised it wasn't done before this as you really don't want to have to do evacuations of tourists on top of your evacuations of residents.

However, most vacationers/tourists are done as school has restarted in most places (for better or worse). So, this isn't likely to impact voting much.

As a side note: early ballots so far have been high. Lots of Democratic voters are pissed about this recall (it's costing a couple hundred million dollars for no good reason) and seem to be pretty motivated. That's probably good news for Newsom. However, don't take it for granted--go vote, dammit. Because the idiots behind this recall sure will.

Re: Forest Service officials close all California national forests

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Post by ch4s3 »

burlesona wrote: post #39
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #21

The US National Forrest and Calfire have been on the losing side of this fire so far. All the technology that produces memes that spread across the globe in seconds and launches and lands orbital rockets flawlessly cannot stop this fire. This has been a dry summer which can be attributed to global warming. I for one am not a defeatist that will let global warming beat me. We need to think of solutions to fires like t…

As a thought experiment, I wonder what it would cost to build a European village scale town for 22k people (the population of SLT) and then literally build a moat around it as a firebreak.

Probably more effective to mandate less flammable construction, and stop forcing insurance companies to cover homes that have burned multiple times.
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