If software engineering is in demand, why is it so hard to get a job?

Post by loftyal » Mon, Aug 30, 2021, 10:30 PM UTC

lmilcin wrote: post #512

loftyal wrote: post #510

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While I agree with you that theres a few like that, you have forgotten about the candidates that genuinely don't want to spend their spare time grinding leetcode. I worked at facebook, when I started looking for a new job, I had to start grinding leetcode again to prepare for a new job. Take a step back and realise how ridiculous this is. Big companies that have prestiege and pay alot of money use it to eliminate fal…

If you can't readily demonstrate ability to write a simple function but insist on getting hired as a developer you are, by definition, overestimating your ability as software developer, because you can't code. If you need to grind to be able to write code you are doing something wrong. Like spending too much time at work copying code from stack exchange or relying on running your code to tell you if it is correct.

Post by lmilcin » Mon, Aug 30, 2021, 10:40 PM UTC

loftyal wrote: post #521

lmilcin wrote: post #512

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If you can't readily demonstrate ability to write a simple function but insist on getting hired as a developer you are, by definition, overestimating your ability as software developer, because you can't code. If you need to grind to be able to write code you are doing something wrong. Like spending too much time at work copying code from stack exchange or relying on running your code to tell you if it is correct.

Grinding leetcode != software engineering. That is my entire point, not sure why you're confused.

Post by bsder » Mon, Aug 30, 2021, 11:34 PM UTC

webmobdev wrote: post #408

debarshri wrote: post #308

We made the interview process very simple and traditional in our current organisation. 30 minute chat, judge whether the person can do the job or is a good fit, if yes then offer a year contract with 1-3 months of evaluation period. Changing a job is risky also from the candidate's perspective so if the person is pretending, the lies will catch up. Most of the scenario it has worked pretty well. Sometimes, people who…

If I remember right, Google found something similar too. Everyone knows Google makes the candidates jumps through a lot of hoops to evaluate them and hire the "best and the brightest". But an internal study showed that apart from the really top talent (the rare few), all that technical knowledge doesn't matter much in the long run: > "Google originally set its hiring algorithms to sort for computer science students w…

Post by m0llusk » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 12:23 AM UTC

debarshri wrote: post #308

We made the interview process very simple and traditional in our current organisation. 30 minute chat, judge whether the person can do the job or is a good fit, if yes then offer a year contract with 1-3 months of evaluation period. Changing a job is risky also from the candidate's perspective so if the person is pretending, the lies will catch up. Most of the scenario it has worked pretty well. Sometimes, people who…

Post by sm1k » Tue, Aug 31, 2021, 12:28 AM UTC

lmilcin wrote: post #523

loftyal wrote: post #521

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Grinding leetcode != software engineering. That is my entire point, not sure why you're confused.

Why do you assume it is I who are confused? Never had to "grind" to get any software development job I wanted even though I am always expected to demonstrate my coding ability. Actually, I wouldn't let myself be hired by a company that does not verify if their candidates can code. Too much of a drag working with people who can't pull their weight.