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Re: Helm is a personal server that lives where you do

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In a very boring and traditional way: you buy a domain name, configure dynamic DNS, and then use port forwarding in your home firewall. No 3rd party proxies.

Not sure that makes me anymore comfortable! Open port to my storage from the internet? But I’m glad they’re not backdooring anything….

What I do is use L2TP/IPsec VPN to phone into my home network and then login and use Synology NAS "locally". There's no inherent need to open your NAS to the internet if you don't want to.

Re: Helm is a personal server that lives where you do

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The required subscription also means it's useless if they go out of business.

Yes. But it’s also useless if they go out of business period. I know, I know, opensource it in the event of bankruptcy and continue receiving security updates and what not. But when as that ever actually panned out? Tbh, I don’t know why subscriptions get such a bad rap on HN. recurring revenue (ie subscription) is actually one of the best tool we have for ensuring the products/services we depend on don’t go under.

> Tbh, I don’t know why subscriptions get such a bad rap on HN

Because a lot of the times things don't need a subscription, but it's just a way for the company to squeeze more money out of you.

Some things you can't buy of course, like a streaming service, and I do pay for them. However, I will never 'rent' an online movie which I can only watch once or some such bullshit where the limitation is 0% technical and 100% someone wanting more money out of me.

Re: Helm is a personal server that lives where you do

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That's exactly how it works

I feel that the internet is doing the full circle again, mediated by rent seekers - 1. all IPs are the same, email for everyone 2. residential IPs cannot into email cause spam 3. consumers don't get into IPs anymore cause CGNAT 3. AWS collects all the other available IPs and rents them out 4. consumers can now get IPs again, rented from AWS 5. ... 6. profit !

This is even missing a trick: unless its politically indicated, AWS does not ban its customers for spamming, high-rate crawling or other abuses, causing its IP ranges to be widely blocked.

So now Amazon gets to market segment and sells a trusted email service, too!

Re: Helm is a personal server that lives where you do

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post #159

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That's exactly how it works

I feel that the internet is doing the full circle again, mediated by rent seekers - 1. all IPs are the same, email for everyone 2. residential IPs cannot into email cause spam 3. consumers don't get into IPs anymore cause CGNAT 3. AWS collects all the other available IPs and rents them out 4. consumers can now get IPs again, rented from AWS 5. ... 6. profit !

Spot on.

Elsewhere in the thread gsreenivas mentions that the solution is too expensive for spammers and so they haven't had a problem with that yet, so we've actually moved to the original solution to spam: charge for sending e-mail*. The original proposal was to charge per email but an annual subscription would have the same effect in the right market (for now.)

* Wasn't it Bill Gates who suggested that?

Re: Helm is a personal server that lives where you do

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Company integrity/actually wanting to empower users. This unreasonably forces dependency on the company and bricks the device once support inevitably ends. That's usually a pretty good indication for a user-hostile company.

I'm not sure where you got that the device would be bricked. Can you point me to where you saw this? All data is accessible on local ports on the LAN, with or without the subscription service.

I think there is a potential issue with the overall concept and dichotomy between "owning" a device to "own" your data, and using external services that must be rented to make that happen. But it sounds like a fixable marketing/communication issue. To elaborate:

Considering R&D and manufacture, it looks to me like you're offering the box itself at cost or even below. Your obvious competitor is Synology, and they have an extensible storage space concept.

So I agree with you that the meat is probably in the Apps. You're offering an email solution as the killer subscription service using somewhat questionable marketing text. But again, that can be fixed. If you were to say "okay, we're planning on offering a range of subscription apps where the core concept is to provide a public-internet service endpoint and the resulting data gets funneled directly into your home box" then you're much clearer about the value you provide and customers would have an expectation that a) their app still works if the subscription expires (it just doesn't get any new data) and b) what they're paying for in the first place. Throw in an info graph that shows the data flow!

Of course, you might have to contend with open source implementations that offer the same endpoint services as a self-hosted option BUT you could even embrace that and make the protocols open because I suspect that the convenience of your all-in-one services would trump the complexity of self hosting in most cases.

Other services/apps you could offer along the same lines could be: federated social media, video downloading and conversion, video and audio chat, collaboration and office tools, home automation, and of course cloud backup (not the paltry 128GB currently folded into the subscription package, but a separate pay-as-you-go solution with "unlimited" storage).

Re: Helm is a personal server that lives where you do

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Dockerized Nextcloud + Postfix + Dovecot + Strongswan + OpenLDAP + SpamAssassin running on an ARM machine. Sounds mostly alright, although it seems you cannot buy it without the $99/yearly subscription, which makes me wary. Sure, a static IP and domain registration is good, but it ought to be an optional addon.

To be fair, the subscription also means that the company is more likely to stay around and keep their products working.

Given that your paying Helm to handle all the PITA aspects of home servers, it seems reasonable to me. This is coming from someone who runs their own home infra in proxmox.

My only concern is the lack of offline backups. You should be able to backup to an external hard drive, and decrypt these backups (e.g. for migration to a "real" server) completely offline, without depending on support.

Re: Helm is a personal server that lives where you do

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post #159

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I feel that the internet is doing the full circle again, mediated by rent seekers - 1. all IPs are the same, email for everyone 2. residential IPs cannot into email cause spam 3. consumers don't get into IPs anymore cause CGNAT 3. AWS collects all the other available IPs and rents them out 4. consumers can now get IPs again, rented from AWS 5. ... 6. profit !

Spot on. Elsewhere in the thread gsreenivas mentions that the solution is too expensive for spammers and so they haven't had a problem with that yet, so we've actually moved to the original solution to spam: charge for sending e-mail*. The original proposal was to charge per email but an annual subscription would have the same effect in the right market (for now.) * Wasn't it Bill Gates who suggested that?

But isn't this charging also for receiving?

Re: Helm is a personal server that lives where you do

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According to their blog post How Helm Works - Part 1: Networking [0], on the AWS side of things, for each Helm unit, they are provisioning an EC2 instance, an Elastic IP, and a Route 53 config. I suppose the 128GB backup is also part of this. From my perspective, $99/yr is not a bad deal for all this to be automatically managed. [0] https://blog.thehelm.com/post/how-helm-works-part-1-networki...

So they’re still relying on big tech. Hmmm.
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