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That's good news for people who have already recovered from Covid. We should definitely take that into account for policies around opening up again, i.e. by treating recovered people like vaccinated people. Beside that it is of little use, is it? "Get Covid to be better protected from Covid" doesn't make a lot of sense to me, at least.
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Sure, but for someone who has already /survived/, it's worth knowing the value of those antibodies. And it's worth knowing that governments should not attack those survivors further for "not getting vaccinated" when they already have antibodies. Worth noting that I'm not anti-vaccine but there's not enough focus on natural immunity. And I'm not encouraging people to forego vaccines and to go lick doorhandles
> And it's worth knowing that governments should not attack those survivors further for "not getting vaccinated" when they already have antibodies. Does delta change that ? Is natural immunity from a previous variant as effective against delta ?
This study's data come from during Israel's Delta-variant surge, so yes.
Natural immunity comes with a 10--25x greater risk of death, possibly much higher (see update) by COVID itself . (The risk from the vaccine, without a Covid infection, is effectively nil based on hundreds of millions of doses administered.) Natural immunity comes with a ~9x greater risk of hospitalisation, again from Covid itself. There's effectively no risk from the vaccine, again with hundreds of millions of doses…
I’d rather acquire natural immunity via the vaccine route.
Natural immunity comes with a 10--25x greater risk of death, possibly much higher (see update) by COVID itself . (The risk from the vaccine, without a Covid infection, is effectively nil based on hundreds of millions of doses administered.) Natural immunity comes with a ~9x greater risk of hospitalisation, again from Covid itself. There's effectively no risk from the vaccine, again with hundreds of millions of doses…
Only if we were starting from a point of nobody having been infected already. In LA, Chicago, NYC, Miami, ~50% of the population has been infected[0]. If the Israeli study is accurate, then all of those people should be considered as immune as vaccinated, therefore not requiring any additional vaccination. That should absolutely shift policy wrt vaccinations.
0. https://www.publichealth.columbia.edu/public-health-now/news...
Does this mean that the ideal path for maximum immunity is to get vaccinated and then get a breakthrough infection?
It sounds like that might be our endgame now. If covid becomes endemic, which may be inevitable, then the only question is whether you want your body to be prepared for its first infection or not. I wonder if this could end up like the 'common cold' coronaviruses, where future generations build up immunity through exposure very early in life, resulting in mild infections in adulthood. That would beg an interesting qu…
I think you mean rhinoviruses?
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Well you have two options. Either 1) You force everyone to get tested for Covid. Then vaccinate everyone who tests negative. 2) Or you just vaccinate everyone knowing those that had it will just end up with stronger immunity. Seems like 2 is the cheapest most straightforward option.
Those aren't the only options. It would be unethical to force testing on everyone.
I know this is a controversial take, but it should be in our national interest to get young children exposed and gain natural immunity, and avoid giving them the vaccine we have so little long-term data on. According to the CDC, 450 kids (0-18yo) died from Covid-19 since Jan 2020. A total of 4.6M kids tested positive since then. In the much shorter 2017-2018 Flu season, ~650 kids (0-17) died. We really have to keep t…
As a father of two kids unable to be vaccinated I disagree. The risk of long term health issues is worrying for many parents. You are welcome to do what you feel is best for your family but we shouldn't consider systematic widespread exposure as a solution.
I know this is a controversial take, but it should be in our national interest to get young children exposed and gain natural immunity, and avoid giving them the vaccine we have so little long-term data on. According to the CDC, 450 kids (0-18yo) died from Covid-19 since Jan 2020. A total of 4.6M kids tested positive since then. In the much shorter 2017-2018 Flu season, ~650 kids (0-17) died. We really have to keep t…
Natural immunity comes with a 10--25x greater risk of death, possibly much higher (see update) by COVID itself . (The risk from the vaccine, without a Covid infection, is effectively nil based on hundreds of millions of doses administered.) Natural immunity comes with a ~9x greater risk of hospitalisation, again from Covid itself. There's effectively no risk from the vaccine, again with hundreds of millions of doses…