Sounds a bit like survivor bias. People who have already recovered once (and not died) are more likely to recover a second time (and not die). In the control group, people who have never had the virus, some have a harder time with it. I hope this gets taken into account.
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#22Does this mean that the ideal path for maximum immunity is to get vaccinated and then get a breakthrough infection?
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#23Worse, the guy who’s posting this has been spreading COVID misinformation on this site for literally years.
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#24Does this mean that the ideal path for maximum immunity is to get vaccinated and then get a breakthrough infection?
The fact it is that the virus will be around with us for a while, and everyone will probably get it at some point. Vaccination will help when dealing with it.
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#25Sounds a bit like survivor bias. People who have already recovered once (and not died) are more likely to recover a second time (and not die). In the control group, people who have never had the virus, some have a harder time with it. I hope this gets taken into account.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
People should obviously get vaccinated, yes. It does suggest that the vaccines could be improved to be even more effective. It’s also interesting that the people most resistant to delta are people that were both infected and vaccinated.
I seem to recall someone suggested that since a large percentage of the population is vaccinated and are therefore protected against severe covid, we should now actually try to catch it to develop a natural immunity to the virus.
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#28Vaccines appear to be less effective* against delta in general, and previous comparisons (like those that said vaccines are more effective [1]) were regarding earlier variants.
I have yet to see anything that confirms that the conclusions of the study would be similar for other variants. (If you have any links supporting that, please do share.)
[1] https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr...
* But still pretty darn effective. To be abundantly clear: this was in no way meant to suggest that it's a good idea to avoid getting vaccinated...
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#29Does this mean that the ideal path for maximum immunity is to get vaccinated and then get a breakthrough infection?
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#30Isn't this literally survivorship bias?
Sure, but for someone who has already /survived/, it's worth knowing the value of those antibodies. And it's worth knowing that governments should not attack those survivors further for "not getting vaccinated" when they already have antibodies. Worth noting that I'm not anti-vaccine but there's not enough focus on natural immunity. And I'm not encouraging people to forego vaccines and to go lick doorhandles
Does delta change that ? Is natural immunity from a previous variant as effective against delta ?