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Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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Post by bryan0 »

tdeck wrote: post #134
junon wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's human feces everywhere outside the tourist/financial districts, and the entirety of the inner city (Tenderloin) is disintegrated and full of poverty, homelessness and crime - and it's predominantly people of color who accumulate there. If that's "diverse" and "beautiful" then I'd hate to think what "monocultural" and "dull" looks like...

> There's human feces everywhere outside the tourist/financial districts, This is not accurate. The Sunset, Richmond, Parkside, Presidio, Marina, and many other parts of the city are very clean (or at least not notably dirty for a city). Perhaps the Marina/Presidio could be called tourist areas but the Sunset and Richmond certainly are not.

I’ve seen someone take a shit on the sidewalk in the Marina (chestnut street). And I’ve seen similar stuff in the sunset. And to the OP I see this stuff fairly often in the financial district.

Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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Post by swearwolf »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #156
Jackpillar wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want a cop to physically detain a homeless person which will just result in sending him through a pointlessly cruel and expensive criminal justice system where he'll pop-out the other side with nothing but unpayable debts that'll drive him through the same cycle again - all because he urinated on a car of someone who won't even realize it happened?

How much of a bubble do you have to be in to think someone peeing on cars is a non issue

Unfortunately that viewpoint is fairly common among contemporary West Coast liberals. A shocking amount of anti-social behavior is tolerated for this reason.

Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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Post by bryan0 »

robbrown451 wrote: post #82
hamburgerwah wrote: post #11

A lot of my family has lived in SF for decades, all of them have moved out in the past 4 years. It's a monstrous dystopia now. The ultra rich completely insulated from the human misery sprawled out in every direction around them while their peasants toil away as tiny ants looked down upon with pity from their gleaming towers.

I've lived in SF for decades, it is hardly a monstrous dystopia. It's actually a very nice, if expensive, place to live. There are homeless in several parts of the city, yes, but those parts are easy to avoid if that's your inclination. San Francisco is a very liberal city, and with that comes compassion for the less fortunate. Because the Constitution says anyone can move about anywhere in the US, that means that a…

> There are homeless in several parts of the city, yes, but those parts are easy to avoid if that's your inclination.

You’re joking right? If by easy to avoid you mean do not go outside. A friend lives in a very nice neighborhood in a beautiful home in SF. A block away while walking to my car there was a half naked man rambling to himself in the bushes. It is ubiquitous unless you mentally block it out.

Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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Post by tdeck »

bryan0 wrote: post #161
tdeck wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's human feces everywhere outside the tourist/financial districts, This is not accurate. The Sunset, Richmond, Parkside, Presidio, Marina, and many other parts of the city are very clean (or at least not notably dirty for a city). Perhaps the Marina/Presidio could be called tourist areas but the Sunset and Richmond certainly are not.

I’ve seen someone take a shit on the sidewalk in the Marina (chestnut street). And I’ve seen similar stuff in the sunset. And to the OP I see this stuff fairly often in the financial district.

Anywhere near Market is mid to high levels of gross for sure. I think in FiDi and the East Cut companies pay for private cleaning services (and perhaps some private pseudo-policing as well) but these areas are directly adjacent to highly distressed parts of the city.

Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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Post by dang »

metalforever wrote: post #45
shuckles wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? The primary issue with San Francisco is that you are in fact not insulated from human misery at all. If you want insulation, check out Atherton or Woodside 20 miles down south. In addition, the wealthy of San Francisco live in giant single family homes. It’s not a big skyscraper culture.

Yeah, I agree. The poster above is a nut.

Could you please follow the site guidelines, regardless of how nutty another commenter is or you feel they are?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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Post by ericd »

ecf wrote: post #96
LordDragonfang wrote: post #54

>One City Hall insider suggests that San Francisco overreacts to issues that are in the national news, and designs solutions to the country’s problems rather than its own. For example, when Mr Boudin ran on his platform of less punitive justice, San Francisco already had one of the lowest incarceration rates in the country. In 2019, 106 adults were in prison for every 100,000 people, one-fifth the rate in California…

Are incarceration rates low because people behave or are they low because SF police don’t bother to arrest people?

If you look at the property crime rates, it’s certainly not because people behave.

Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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Post by searealist »

ecf wrote: post #96
LordDragonfang wrote: post #54

>One City Hall insider suggests that San Francisco overreacts to issues that are in the national news, and designs solutions to the country’s problems rather than its own. For example, when Mr Boudin ran on his platform of less punitive justice, San Francisco already had one of the lowest incarceration rates in the country. In 2019, 106 adults were in prison for every 100,000 people, one-fifth the rate in California…

Are incarceration rates low because people behave or are they low because SF police don’t bother to arrest people?

SF's incarceration rates are consistent with its demographics.

Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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Post by pessimizer »

ericd wrote: post #167
ecf wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are incarceration rates low because people behave or are they low because SF police don’t bother to arrest people?

If you look at the property crime rates, it’s certainly not because people behave.

It depends - are they 5x worse than cities with an average incarceration rate?

Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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Post by pessimizer »

manderley wrote: post #81
systemvoltage wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd expect the claimant to provide the data to support their assertion.

You were the one disputing the claim, it's on you to bring the actual data. So no, you can't pass the buck.

That's the opposite of how the burden of proof works.
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