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Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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27 year San Francisco resident here. The government here is dysfunctional because that's what people voted for. The fact that people pay so much to live here says that people are willing to put up with a lot in exchange for living in a diverse and beautiful city.

There's human feces everywhere outside the tourist/financial districts, and the entirety of the inner city (Tenderloin) is disintegrated and full of poverty, homelessness and crime - and it's predominantly people of color who accumulate there.

If that's "diverse" and "beautiful" then I'd hate to think what "monocultural" and "dull" looks like...

Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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27 year San Francisco resident here. The government here is dysfunctional because that's what people voted for. The fact that people pay so much to live here says that people are willing to put up with a lot in exchange for living in a diverse and beautiful city.

Just because people vote for it, it doesn’t mean it is what people want. There is also the option that the voting system is faulty and that the voters don’t have a real option. As an example, the city of Reykjavík has 23 representatives in the city council. They are voted proportionally from parties represented distinct views. San Francisco board of supervisors have 11 members, less then half of Reykjavík’s despite h…

> And to make it worse, each member is voted on a first past the post system

That's not actually true, we use RCV to elect supervisors (and the mayor).

Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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The homeless and those issues pretty much only exist in the tourist areas near downtown, the tenderloin, soma, etc. The tourists come and see all of that and get the idea SF is some horrible dystopia, but unless you live in those areas, it's not a problem. I lived in Noe Valley for 3 years and never ran into a single problem from your list. SF is so much more than downtown.

Can confirm. In general, unless you actually step into them, human feces are not a problem. Just watch your step and be alert. How difficult can it be?

You should submit this to the next license plate slogan contest. “San Francisco - Don’t like needles, just watch your step!”

Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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The Peninsula is generally much better run than SF. It kind of helps that it isn't one big city. It forces the cities to compete and makes the democracy more direct and participatory. It also limits the blast radius of bad decisions. Also, because of the greater percentage of kids, the parents often vote based on what is best for their kids. The issues are much more mundane. Better roads, funding for schools, etc...

The housing crisis is perpetuated by a lack of coherent planning. It's also why transit is suboptimal. It definitely doesn't help that it isn't one big city, it's actively detrimental.

It definitely helps the quality of life of the Peninsula to not be embroiled in SF politics. Tons of SF natives moved to the Peninsula for those reasons.

You don't need a large city to coordinate transportation. By that logic, the whole Bay Area should be one city.

After all, you have BART running to the East Bay, South Bay, and a tiny part of the Peninsula.

Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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>One City Hall insider suggests that San Francisco overreacts to issues that are in the national news, and designs solutions to the country’s problems rather than its own. For example, when Mr Boudin ran on his platform of less punitive justice, San Francisco already had one of the lowest incarceration rates in the country. In 2019, 106 adults were in prison for every 100,000 people, one-fifth the rate in California…

Are incarceration rates low because people behave or are they low because SF police don’t bother to arrest people?

Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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> Per my own experience SF is not a bad place to live. I have the opposite view. In SF, your risk of the following occurring is non-negligible and in some cases, shockingly quite likely: - Being mugged/robbed - Having your car broken into - Being harangued or even assaulted by someone who is mentally ill and/or under the influence - Witnessing public urination, defecation, drug use and grab and go retail theft - Step…

The homeless and those issues pretty much only exist in the tourist areas near downtown, the tenderloin, soma, etc. The tourists come and see all of that and get the idea SF is some horrible dystopia, but unless you live in those areas, it's not a problem. I lived in Noe Valley for 3 years and never ran into a single problem from your list. SF is so much more than downtown.

I lived in San Jose for two years. Commuted to Los Gatos.

880 had cardboard cities up and down it; my morning walk for coffee had 3-4 “regulars” living along it with frequent homeless transients.

Many neighborhoods full of Multi-million dollar properties that looked, and felt, like unmaintained slums.

The societal decay of SF extends through the entire Bay Area; certainly extends outside of its “tourist” centers.

Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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I don't think this article successfully describes "why" SF is dysfunctional. I agree that the government is bureaucratic and slow, and the school system is terrible, and our government is corrupt. That's the "what." I think some of the "why"s mentioned in the article are accurate. It's true that SF residents tend to be transient and only homeowners vote in large numbers. And SF political actors see themselves through a national prism (because SF politicians tend to go on to higher office - like the Senate, Governorship, or the Vice Presidency) that encourages them to focus on relatively less important policies like banning vaping.

But I think saying no mayor hasn't been re-elected in 20 years isn't remotely unique to SF. Guiliani was re-elected, and so was Bloomberg, and so was the widely despised de Blasio. Politicians generally get re-elected everywhere. Further, it's misleading to say that Democrats always win. SF elections are often hotly contested between the dominant political factions of "moderate" and "progressive" (although those labels are always changing meaning), even if it's Democrat vs Democrat. Some candidates are law and order, and some are anti-capitalist. There is plenty of political competition in SF - which brings me to my next point.

I think it's wishful thinking to say that a "Bloomberg-type figure" would solve all these problems. The mayor doesn't have the power to solve these problems. In fact, that's one of the (many) root causes of SF's problems - in order to make progress on all the problems listed in the article, you'd need to pass ballot propositions, change most of the Board of Supervisors, elect a different school board, elect a new mayor, and change some state laws like CEQA too. The real problem is that power is too diffuse, which encourages corruption by encouraging everyone to demand concessions before any reform can be made. It also means that candidates have to run promising things they can't deliver, or things they can deliver that don't solve the city's biggest problems. That, in turn, trains the public to expect even less of their representatives.

I think another factor is that NYC's government controls much more of its metro area than SF's government does. If the Bay Area had a governmental body that covered the whole region, they'd be able to pass broader laws that, for example, funded transit across city borders. Today, most laws like that have to be passed at the state level instead, and the state is split between many metro areas so it doesn't bother to address Bay Area-specific problems.

Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Peninsula is generally much better run than SF. It kind of helps that it isn't one big city. It forces the cities to compete and makes the democracy more direct and participatory. It also limits the blast radius of bad decisions. Also, because of the greater percentage of kids, the parents often vote based on what is best for their kids. The issues are much more mundane. Better roads, funding for schools, etc...

The housing crisis is perpetuated by a lack of coherent planning. It's also why transit is suboptimal. It definitely doesn't help that it isn't one big city, it's actively detrimental.

Maybe the best solution is some sort of regional association or federation of governments working on multi-jurisdictional concerns. Representing an entire area you could say.

Re: Why San Francisco’s city government is so dysfunctional

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I will note that California seems to be America's dumping ground for the nation's homeless problem. There are also long-standing federal and state housing policies impacting San Francisco. I have no idea how dysfunctional the local city government is in this case, but there are things going on here beyond its control. It's not fair or reasonable to act like the condition the city is in is entirely due to local govern…

I keep hearing this. Do you have any citations for "America's dumping ground". How many homeless are migrating to California? > As the data shows us, most of the homeless people you pass on the streets every day are in fact Californians. > Less than a fifth (18 percent) said they had lived out of state before becoming homeless. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/06/us/homeless-population.ht... Everytime this argument ha…

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