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These days it's a round plastic handle with a carved rubber bottom that pairs with a spongy red-ink filled bottom. There's a picture and an explanation at [1]. It basically functions the same way as the signature of an authorized representative of the company does in the West. Presumably it comes out of personal seals which are a fun item to get if you're in China. I never interacted with someone who used them, but i…
In Japan seals/stamps (hanko) are still widely used as signatures.
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#372People need to wake up to the fact that China being a potential market of >1B people is an illusion. This is particularly relevant for any tech company. Let me spell it out: Chinese companies are extensions of the state. They are tools of Chinese foreign and trade policy. What cooperation you think US companies provide the US government, it is nothing in comparison. The Chinese government will ensure that no Western…
> Let me spell it out: Chinese companies are extensions of the state. They are tools of Chinese foreign and trade policy. What cooperation you think US companies provide the US government, it is nothing in comparison. I'm not so sure. It just goes through a few more mediators and more roundabout ways. In the end, the fruit companies that turned Latin American countries into banana repubics, for one example, had big s…
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#373Earlier quoted context omitted.
China isn't just taking tech IP. They're taking everything. They localized and took a bunch of train IP from German company they partnered with in the past. They've been doing it for decades. You can say we do that all the time, but have we really been prohibiting experienc and technology for diesel engines? Like you say, maybe we should, but it will be an interesting argument to have with companies that really want…
Stuff like train IP is actually included in tech, same as rockets would be. My understanding is this is a legal definition of technology which can include basically anything (especially anything you might ever patent or have patented). I also didn't mean to imply that the US has done a lot of this. I don't think they have in the free trade era. I just meant to point out that it has always been done for some stuff (on…
Yeah, I'm well aware of that ban, which is what I was alluding to originally with the "even though it's not state secrets". Crypto isn't really a state secret, but it's classified as munitions, which is equally as weird and convoluted, and probably only really accepted because they were able to make a case about it being a national defense issue.
Controlling what companies can and can't do with their own property gets weird fast. So maybe some laws go in place to prevent China from cooercing IP from companies that want to work in their market. What if China just wants to outright pay for the technology and buy the IP? Is that okay? What if that purchase price is based on some other stipulation that they don't follow through on? The whole problem here is that some Chinese companies are willing to just say "screw it, your laws don't apply here and our prior agreements don't matter, and my government will back me up" and there's not a lot of recourse at a company level to stop that. The only way to actually stop any abuse is to disallow all business with China unless they adhere to the rules, but that's a hard sell when it looks like it's a nationwide ban because of a few bad companies, which is definitely how China would spin it and how it would be disseminated through specific media campaigns.
And actually banning business with China would be so disruptive and so unpopular for some companies (and companies that would be willing to push against that legislation) that it really would be extremely disruptive internally, and be presented as an issue of over regulation and big government intervention and racist and everything we've already seen before, just turned up to 11. And honestly, China might see that as a win no matter what happens, because it either exposes the dysfunction in our economic model or it moves it closer to their economic model, which would be a vindication of their path.
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#374People need to wake up to the fact that China being a potential market of >1B people is an illusion. This is particularly relevant for any tech company. Let me spell it out: Chinese companies are extensions of the state. They are tools of Chinese foreign and trade policy. What cooperation you think US companies provide the US government, it is nothing in comparison. The Chinese government will ensure that no Western…
You think that American companies aren’t tools of the state?
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#375Earlier quoted context omitted.
Allen Wu having the seal For those of us not familiar with Chinese business practices, is this an actual seal? Like someone would use to frank documents, or squish into hot wax to seal documents? Or is it a symbolic seal, like a legal document, or something else?
I don't quite understand this either, isn't this something where you could make a new seal with the same design? Does the original seal have something specific that's not supposed to be copied? Or is this like the copyright ownership of the company's seal?
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#376This is difficult to parse in my Western mind. I've grown up with a constant understanding of implicit liberties, so much so that I have the freedom to openly _discuss_ my general distrust of the government. The events that float by in HN are outliers: threats of more risk, but statistically unusual enough that they're stories of interest. This means that living and acting in a country where your very _thoughts_ are…
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#377People need to wake up to the fact that China being a potential market of >1B people is an illusion. This is particularly relevant for any tech company. Let me spell it out: Chinese companies are extensions of the state. They are tools of Chinese foreign and trade policy. What cooperation you think US companies provide the US government, it is nothing in comparison. The Chinese government will ensure that no Western…
Naive question here: why China is able to close its market to foreign companies? Same thing for trade sanctions on Iran which impacted European companies but not China (if I'm not wrong). Seems they don't play by the same rules as anybody else.
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One of the problems is that Chinese Americans may still have family ties in China, and the CCP's United Front [1] or other orgs will use those ties to extort, blackmail, or otherwise pressure them. It's absolutely imperative that the US Govt, and the govts of all democracies, recognize and combat this, and take active measures to protect their Chinese citizens. One thing that needs to happen if it's not the case alre…
The general mistreatment and neglect of whistleblowers makes me think such a policy is unlikely to work.
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Naive question here: why China is able to close its market to foreign companies? Same thing for trade sanctions on Iran which impacted European companies but not China (if I'm not wrong). Seems they don't play by the same rules as anybody else.
Because china, unlike most of the other countries in the world, has a massive population and resources to get atleast partially self sustaining. Also, the fact that exporting manufacturing to the east let to a lot of short-term profits for western companies. The question is at what costs, looking at climate change, the current shortage of nearly anything manufactured right now and the destablisation of society thanks…
That's not a bug.
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#380I think I need to reread… is this just Chinese fear mongering?