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Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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Post by mistrial9 »

azinman2 wrote: post #4
carabiner wrote: post #3

I've tried every psy except Ayahuasca: DMT, LSD, Bromo-DragonFLY, RC's from the 2c family, ketamine, MDMA, and so on. In each case, I had "profound" realizations during the experience that lasted a day or two, then I reverted back to my normal ways of being depressed in a messy apartment and slacking at my job. In this article, I see descriptors of Ayahuasca similar to those of other psychedelics (years of therapy in…

From what friends have described, it is very different. I’ve seen it transform a number of lives, including one guy who started out with a single visit to Peru to do it and the decided to live there permenantly. I think context matters as well — these people were all doing it as a group to accomplish something with a shaman, and not just for fun at a rave or whatever.

I have heard tales that the Andes are full of Westerners, mostly young men, who blew out their modern brains and now wander forever..

source: psy-friendly people who have been there

Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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Post by dang »

fridif wrote: post #6

The best cure for whatever is ailing them is leaving Vermont. Humans, biologically, were not designed to live in Vermont. It is the equivalent of putting a Husky in the Sahara.

Please don't take HN threads into flamewar.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Edit: can you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments generally? You've unfortunately done quite a lot of that. We ban such accounts because we're trying for a different sort of website here.

Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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Post by rtkwe »

jakeinspace wrote: post #11
fridif wrote: post #6

The best cure for whatever is ailing them is leaving Vermont. Humans, biologically, were not designed to live in Vermont. It is the equivalent of putting a Husky in the Sahara.

I suppose then that those of us living in Canada are beyond saving.

Don't worry the world is doing its level best to make Canada hospitable for human inhabitance just in time for everyone to move north to try to escape the heat.. and flooding and tornados and etc etc.

Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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Post by fridif »

dang wrote: post #33
fridif wrote: post #6

The best cure for whatever is ailing them is leaving Vermont. Humans, biologically, were not designed to live in Vermont. It is the equivalent of putting a Husky in the Sahara.

Please don't take HN threads into flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: can you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments generally? You've unfortunately done quite a lot of that. We ban such accounts because we're trying for a different sort of website here.

It isn't a flamewar. I would say the same about Quebec City or Alaska.

Humans do not survive well in cold, dark climates. Is my point a bit clearer now?

Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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Post by fridif »

thehappypm wrote: post #29
fridif wrote: post #6

The best cure for whatever is ailing them is leaving Vermont. Humans, biologically, were not designed to live in Vermont. It is the equivalent of putting a Husky in the Sahara.

Vermont's weather is similar to Northern Europe, much of the rest of North America, and Japan. What's your point?

Have you ever lived in Vermont? The cold there is very different from NYC, which is just 4 hours away.

Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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Post by fridif »

jakeinspace wrote: post #11
fridif wrote: post #6

The best cure for whatever is ailing them is leaving Vermont. Humans, biologically, were not designed to live in Vermont. It is the equivalent of putting a Husky in the Sahara.

I suppose then that those of us living in Canada are beyond saving.

Vancouver and Victoria are fine because of the Pacific ocean current.

Toronto has plenty of mental illness as well. That's why many Canadians hop a plane to Mexico.

Why is everyone so defensive about this? Moving from a cold climate to a warmer one is a much less radical idea than taking psychadelic drugs.

Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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Post by fragmede »

philpem wrote: post #15

I can't help but wonder what kind of world we exist in, if people are driven to drugs (not specifically ayahuasca, but also prescribed ones) just to live. The spike in mental health diagnoses and drug use ... it feels like there's something seriously wrong with the world and environment in which these people exist. The system is broken, as it were.

I can't help but wonder what kind of world we exist in, if people are driven to oversimplify situations, draw faulty conclusions due to the oversimplification on top of misunderstanding. It feels as if something is seriously wrong with education and society these days. People can no longer grasp involved, complex topics and engage with nuance and subtlety, as it were.

Heroin's not the same thing as asprin, nor the same as caffeinated coffee, for that matter. Lumping them all together and trying to draw conclusions thats society is fucked from that, when there are much louder, specific signals that could be addressed (but are more difficult), is questionable.

Approx what year would you characterize this "spike" as having started?

Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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Post by rfd4sgmk8u »

paulluuk wrote: post #12
tra3 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have not tried any; but I'just curious -- if you write your epiphanies down do they hold their values or turn into gobbledygook when you sober up?

I've tried mushrooms (both dried and natural) and LSD. In my case, "epiphanies" were basically the same as what you get when you smoke a lot of pot or drink a lot of beer: "the world is in 3d", "time is only a construct", "everything in the universe is connected", "our bodies can't physically touch due to the space between atoms", etc. I've written them down in journals, but it's all "gobbledygook" as you mention.

They may seem trite, but these are fundamental truths that 98% of the population will never know. You remember the feelings of subjective profound realization. This is what is important.

Re: Some Vermonters turn to ayahuasca as a 'last resort' to heal

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Post by Borrible »

philpem wrote: post #15

I can't help but wonder what kind of world we exist in, if people are driven to drugs (not specifically ayahuasca, but also prescribed ones) just to live. The spike in mental health diagnoses and drug use ... it feels like there's something seriously wrong with the world and environment in which these people exist. The system is broken, as it were.

On the other hand, there are people who thrive in such a world.

In a Gaussian world, where suffering and thriving are the result of more or less independent random factors, this is fine.

As systemic interdependencies increase, the situation shifts to a Paretian world, a power law distribution that emerges from feedback loops.

In the end, there are few who thrive and many who suffer. Often because of the thriving of the former.

And just to depress the mood a bit and abandon all hope:

The Paretian world may be even more stable, as long as sufficient resources are available.

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