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Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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> Start," and it was redesigned (as was Windows 8) by taking inspiration from smartphones Just exactly how braindead do you have to be to "take inspiration from smartphones" when deveping a PC-centric OS? As it's all going, it seems like we are going to have smartphone-like PCs a lot sooner than PC-like smartphones. Anyhow, good thing I am on Linux.

Are you using Gnome 3?

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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All the simplifications that they mentioned seem reasonable to me. Wouldn't Power Users be regular users of things like keyboard shortcuts, AutoHotKey scripts, etc...? For example, 99% of my time is spent in seven or eight applications and use the Win-# key to jump between them. Win-1 is file explorer, Win-2 is web browser, Win-3 is email, etc... For lesser used things I hit the Win key and start typing the name of t…

The loss of the small task bar icons will be annoying to me. I always fight to minimize UI real estate in my workspace, typically selecting the most compact / small offering that is still workable. I strongly prefer my task bar to remain visible but take up minimal space. I've become "used" to this problem though as UIs have all gone more and more finger friendly (read: big) over time. Definitely a good thing for the…

Damn! Those are exactly the features that have allowed me to ignore the clusterfuck that the start menu has become at least since Windows 7.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

#53
post #8

All the simplifications that they mentioned seem reasonable to me. Wouldn't Power Users be regular users of things like keyboard shortcuts, AutoHotKey scripts, etc...? For example, 99% of my time is spent in seven or eight applications and use the Win-# key to jump between them. Win-1 is file explorer, Win-2 is web browser, Win-3 is email, etc... For lesser used things I hit the Win key and start typing the name of t…

I'm glad it works for you and how you use Windows.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

#54

> Start," and it was redesigned (as was Windows 8) by taking inspiration from smartphones Just exactly how braindead do you have to be to "take inspiration from smartphones" when deveping a PC-centric OS? As it's all going, it seems like we are going to have smartphone-like PCs a lot sooner than PC-like smartphones. Anyhow, good thing I am on Linux.

Are you using Gnome 3?

Nope, stumpwm. Before that I was using i3. Never even bothered with a DE when I jumped ships.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've read that 11 will actually fix and unify a lot of those disjointed things left in the OS too. But that's what I mean. 10 is unfinished. They could do those things in 10.

As I recall, 10 is the final version and all future updates are supposed to occur in 10. ;D

10 is the final 10 version. 11 is a new version.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

#56

Honestly Microsoft really needs to stop listening to this vocal minority. - This group is why Windows had a trash terminal that didn't even have a right click menu until recently. - This group is why Windows Explorer is identical to how it was almost 2 decades ago, with the same terrible search and still things like choking when it encounters a folder of MP3s and still unable to handle folders with 1000+ items withou…

I haven't met anyone that didn't want Microsoft to have a better default terminal.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

#57

Microsoft is trapped by its own success. It is used all over the place and these old uses are hamstringing its ability to innovate because the new OS may not meet the needs of all of its previous use cases. This has been Microsoft's predicament since probably 2000.

I'm not sure there's any need to "innovate" on the UI in this case. It's a stable, mature product refined for >30 years to suit the desktop use case and billions of people are familiar with it and its metaphors. There's plenty of room for innovation on new features, but why mess with what works UI wise? Seems like change for change's sake.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

#58

> Start," and it was redesigned (as was Windows 8) by taking inspiration from smartphones Just exactly how braindead do you have to be to "take inspiration from smartphones" when deveping a PC-centric OS? As it's all going, it seems like we are going to have smartphone-like PCs a lot sooner than PC-like smartphones. Anyhow, good thing I am on Linux.

The plan was to have the same exact OS on desktops and phones. Around the time Windows RT came out (which was a result of their Windows-on-ARM stuff), that's when they finally stopped using WinCE on their phone hardware and moved to the NT kernel.

Of course that's all moot now since they've given up on phones.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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post #12

When the iPhone 1 was introduced it was lacking many features, yet nobody complained while there were much more powerful phones on the market already.

Right but this isn’t Windows 1.0. Awful comparison.

No. Windows 10 was windows 1.0.(same UI plus taskbar). Win 11 will be win 1.1.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows is sort of the default computer choice for a lot of normal, non-technical people, so I can understand that Microsoft wants to simplify things for them by taking some inspiration from MacOS. The problem is that Windows is also used by many businesses, network admins, and tech enthusiasts too. These users are in conflict. What Microsoft should be doing in my opinion is using its Windows Home and Windows Profess…

>Windows is sort of the default computer choice for a lot of normal, non-technical people, so I can understand that Microsoft wants to simplify things for them by taking some inspiration from MacOS. That's a really good point and I agree with your solution. I doubt Microsoft would want to do the work involved in creating essentially two versions of Windows, though.

They did it before, and then unified it. The Win95 line had a distinct core compared to the NT line. It was unified under XP. XP had multiple editions (home, professional, a couple others). I no longer recall the major differences, but I think the big one was that professional supported corporate provisioning while Home did not (which meant if you were a nerd like me and had a home LDAP server Home couldn't use the login information from it, IIRC).

However, I don't recall the user interfaces being fundamentally different between those versions. And that's what they'd need now if they wanted a smartphonified desktop OS for the "average home user" (whatever that means) and the now over 25-year old interface for professionals.

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