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Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by jagger27 »

tailspin2019 wrote: post #29
stillblue wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've got a few questions. 1) What OS/IDE combination do you use? 2) Is there any reason you've not switched to other languages that are most commonly found in non-windows environments? 3) How is the tooling around .NET diagnostics and memory profiling on the OS you use?

To add to the other replies (including the one on my behalf) - VS Code tooling is excellent too on Mac. It's one of the better Electron apps. Even Microsoft's own Visual Studio for Mac is getting better - but has a long way to go to match Rider.

I’d go as far as to say that VS Code is the best Electron app.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by CodeGlitch »

smt88 wrote: post #30
CodeGlitch wrote: post #17

Windows 10 doesn't feel finished. Why are they already moving to 11?

Other than the bifurcated settings, what feels unfinished? I've read that 11 will actually fix and unify a lot of those disjointed things left in the OS too.

> I've read that 11 will actually fix and unify a lot of those disjointed things left in the OS too.

But that's what I mean. 10 is unfinished. They could do those things in 10.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by neverywhere »

Microsoft is trapped by its own success. It is used all over the place and these old uses are hamstringing its ability to innovate because the new OS may not meet the needs of all of its previous use cases.

This has been Microsoft's predicament since probably 2000.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by jcranberry »

Been using windows 11 for a bit for a while on the dev channel. Seems fine. Only thing that annoyed me was the context menu. I think fairly recently they added the "more options" which expands it to have everything that was there before which is slightly annoying but still fine. Overall I think 10 felt kind of amateurish and perhaps even a bit gaudy and I think 11 looks better. I prefer the new start menu as well.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by maydup-nem »

> Start," and it was redesigned (as was Windows 8) by taking inspiration from smartphones

Just exactly how braindead do you have to be to "take inspiration from smartphones" when deveping a PC-centric OS?

As it's all going, it seems like we are going to have smartphone-like PCs a lot sooner than PC-like smartphones.

Anyhow, good thing I am on Linux.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by ThePadawan »

stillblue wrote: post #4
tailspin2019 wrote: post #2

In the lovely bubble that I live in, the “power users” haven’t been using Windows for quite some time now. To Microsoft’s credit, they’ve made it incredibly easy for me, a .NET developer, to not have to use Windows any more. So I am, admittedly, grateful for that.

I've got a few questions. 1) What OS/IDE combination do you use? 2) Is there any reason you've not switched to other languages that are most commonly found in non-windows environments? 3) How is the tooling around .NET diagnostics and memory profiling on the OS you use?

Not parent, but sorta want to pitch in on 2)

C# is a lovely language.

It also has quite a big standard library while not being 10 years behind everything like Java is.

It also has quite good performance (speaking in a web development context) compared to other popular choices like Ruby and Python.

I've personally only switched away from using C# in my free time because I was already writing C# during my day job, and that doesn't feel good (or look good on a CV).

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by qalmakka »

maydup-nem wrote: post #46

> Start," and it was redesigned (as was Windows 8) by taking inspiration from smartphones Just exactly how braindead do you have to be to "take inspiration from smartphones" when deveping a PC-centric OS? As it's all going, it seems like we are going to have smartphone-like PCs a lot sooner than PC-like smartphones. Anyhow, good thing I am on Linux.

More than something out of a mobile OS, it quite looks to me like some launcher I've seen on Linux (I don't remember which one was, I've been using Plasma for too long).

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by after_care »

tailspin2019 wrote: post #21
darepublic wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An old programming joke compared c# (ie .net) to a laser cannon strapped to a donkey, that oddly enough doesn't work as well without the donkey. Does this still ring true to you seeing as you are using the laser cannon sans donkey

No it doesn't. The 2021 .NET ecosystem (post .NET Core transition) is a _very_ different beast. It now works better without the donkey IMHO. EDIT: In fact I wish they'd just shoot the damn donkey and focus more on the laser cannon.

Somewhere around .Net Core 2.1 C# became better without windows (although still best with MSSQL at that time.)

The donkey still is important for legacy runtimes, which probably have many decades of lifespan left.

Re: Power users mourn features lost in Windows 11 'simplification'

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Post by thaumasiotes »

CodeGlitch wrote: post #43
smt88 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Other than the bifurcated settings, what feels unfinished? I've read that 11 will actually fix and unify a lot of those disjointed things left in the OS too.

> I've read that 11 will actually fix and unify a lot of those disjointed things left in the OS too. But that's what I mean. 10 is unfinished. They could do those things in 10.

As I recall, 10 is the final version and all future updates are supposed to occur in 10. ;D
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