I think it's all about timing. Right now in Oregon our hospitals are full. So the less people getting infected right now the better.
If I remember correctly, the number of vaccinated people who get infected and require hospitalization is quite low.
You remember correctly:
More than 99% of recent deaths were among the unvaccinated, infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said earlier this month on NBC's Meet the Press, while Walensky noted on Friday that unvaccinated people accounted for over 97% of hospitalizations.
From the last link: "Conclusions: This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection a…
Hmm. This smells of literal survivor bias. The group that survives the delta variant is a smaller set than all who got infected while all vaccinated persons survived, even ones that wouldn’t have survived without the vaccine.
While true, it's not by much; mortality for covid-19 is less than a percent of all hospitalizations, iirc.
I don't think anyone's concerned about IM vs. IN as they are mRNA vs. DNA. The boosters deliver double stranded helix straight to the nucleus like a Windows update. You'd have to pull an Apocalypse Now to roll that back. GM people nobody panics but GM organic food and everyone loses their minds.
I thought the boosters just have mRNA strands like the original mRNA vaccines do? I haven’t heard anything about them using CRISPR or otherwise editing the human genome. Would be neat but it seems like pharma companies charge a million dollars for that kind of treatment.
Hmm. This smells of literal survivor bias. The group that survives the delta variant is a smaller set than all who got infected while all vaccinated persons survived, even ones that wouldn’t have survived without the vaccine.
While true, it's not by much; mortality for covid-19 is less than a percent of all hospitalizations, iirc.
Right. The point of the vaccines is to not have to find out if you are in the 99% who survive Covid or the 1% who don’t.
The spike protein targeting antibodies produced by the vaccine do indeed target a wider range of spike mutations than the spike protein antibodies from previous infection. However, vaccines only target spike protein, while a previous infection will cause your body to produce antibodies for a much larger set of targets on the virus, which in practice leads to a more robust immunity. This is supported by data from Isra…
> However, vaccines only target spike protein, while a previous infection will cause your body to produce antibodies for a much larger set of targets on the virus, which in practice leads to a more robust immunity. This is supported by data from Israel and some recent studies No, it does not. The data from Israel only supports the claim that immunity from infection is longer lasting than from the vaccine, which shoul…
>> No, it does not.
But is is acknowledged in the article linked here:
>> Specifically, antibodies elicited by the mRNA vaccine were more focused to the RBD compared to antibodies elicited by an infection, which more often targeted other portions of the spike protein. Importantly, the vaccine-elicited antibodies targeted a broader range of places on the RBD than those elicited by natural infection.
It does not follow that vaccination conveys better immunity than previous infection. Only better response to mutations in one area of the spike protein. Nothing else is being claimed in this paper.
I thought the boosters just have mRNA strands like the original mRNA vaccines do? I haven’t heard anything about them using CRISPR or otherwise editing the human genome. Would be neat but it seems like pharma companies charge a million dollars for that kind of treatment.
My source is the New York Times https://archive.is/Wk2nU
If I remember correctly, the number of vaccinated people who get infected and require hospitalization is quite low.
You remember correctly: More than 99% of recent deaths were among the unvaccinated, infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said earlier this month on NBC's Meet the Press, while Walensky noted on Friday that unvaccinated people accounted for over 97% of hospitalizations. https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/1017002907/u-s-covid-deaths-a...
> Fully vaccinated” refers to a person who is ≥2 weeks following receipt of the second dose in a 2-dose series, or ≥2 weeks following receipt of one dose of a single-dose vaccine. “Unvaccinated” refers to a person who does not fit the definition of “fully vaccinated,” including people whose vaccination status is not known
Wouldn't this open the door to possible immune diseases in the long term?
With a much wider net for the antibodies to attack, someone with the DNA and matching proteins that are similar to the spike protein would have an increased chance of
an autoimmune disease.
I thought the boosters just have mRNA strands like the original mRNA vaccines do? I haven’t heard anything about them using CRISPR or otherwise editing the human genome. Would be neat but it seems like pharma companies charge a million dollars for that kind of treatment.
My source is the New York Times https://archive.is/Wk2nU
That's the current Johnson + Johnson vaccine. What does that have to do with "boosters" and what about that requires an "Apocalypse Now"?
Honestly I have yet to see any convincing scientific evidence that is free from confounding factors which suggests that there is waning immunity. And there's reason to believe from HCoV-229E that immunity against coronaviruses is actually durable and that reinfection is due to mutation and immune escape. https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/j...
Thank you. I don’t understand why more people won’t argue like you do. We have 4 endemic human CoVs. Why not learn from the experience we had there?
I get the impression anything we could learn which doesn't support a foregone hyperbolic conclusion gets vastly ignored by the media and misconstrued as fringe in the court of popular opinion. All of this started with panic-buying toilet paper and baker's yeast from the grocery stores. I'm not surprised despite a considerable majority of US citizens being vaccinated, all reporting is underscored by pandemic levels of fear and sensation. The general public will still hatefully rebuke any claim that among a significantly vaccinated population Covid-19 statistics are largely comparable to many other endemic diseases. We were told this whole time that it wasn't just another flu, but to a vaccinated person it is just another illness. You don't want to get the flu, you don't want to spread it around, but you don't let fear of it consume your everyday life. But here we are, front page circa 2021, a bunch of vaccinated adults obsessing over reinfection.