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CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by belval »

stardenburden wrote: post #78

So many bots in this thread, down voting everything that is anti china - be it true or false. Very curious to see that not even HN is safe from them.

> Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data.

FWIW I would encourage you to use the above email as a lot of comments do seem greyed out for no reason.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by swagasaurus-rex »

beaunative wrote: post #63
Gunax wrote: post #13

Genghis Khan was not a conqueror in his mind. Instead, the whole world's population was simply tresspassing on what was rightfully promised to him.

I'm sure that's what in the mind of Hitler/Romans/Crussaders as well.

It's easy to be motivated by plunder and prestige, back when it was possible.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by actuator »

optimalsolver wrote: post #99
actuator wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it happening right now as we speak? If we go enough back in time every nation has blood on their hands.

>Is it happening right now as we speak? The Black Lives Matter protests of the past year say yes.

and they did vote in a president who at least seems like supports what those protests stood for.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by yorwba »

Quillbert182 wrote: post #24
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, native Americans?

Native Americans are not unified by language and religion. They have a wide variety of both of these things.

Tibetans are not unified by language or religion. There are more than a dozen Tibetic languages, and speakers of more distantly related language families like rGyalrongic are also classified as Tibetans by the government. The official policy of one standard language per recognized ethnicity does mean that many of them will have been educated in Lhasa Tibetan at school.

On the religion front, next to the various schools of Tibetan Buddhism, there's also the older Bön and other, less popular religions like Islam.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by optimalsolver »

stardenburden wrote: post #78

So many bots in this thread, down voting everything that is anti china - be it true or false. Very curious to see that not even HN is safe from them.

Does it ever occur to you that someone can not want to jump on the "China bad!" train and not be a bot?

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by proc0 »

thinktankie wrote: post #41

A reminder of how great life was for Tibetans under the feudal, theocratic serfdom of the lamas [1]. [1] “In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the “middle-class” families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned…

How does that justify taking over their land/people? If this is really their excuse, it sounds to me like the same kind of justification Spain had when conquering the Native empires of Aztecs and Incas. Maybe they should have helped them without wiping out the culture? I'm still learning details of this, but I think ultimately it is very hard to justify persecution of peaceful monks.

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Post by elefanten »

ethbr0 wrote: post #40
neverywhere wrote: post #12

China is pretty scary in this way. The Han ethnic group is the majority in population and leadership and it is enacting policies to suppress the population numbers of non Han-ethnic groups in the country. They do it via birth control and family separation so it happening slowly but it is still decreasing the population of non-Han ethnic groups in comparison to the Han ethnic group. When this was done elsewhere it was…

> enacting policies to suppress the population numbers of non Han-ethnic groups in the country It is terrible. It is also common, although thankfully not so much in the 21st century as in previous. Of the top of my head... Americans, British, Canadians, Australians, Spanish South America, Germany, Russia, Various Balkan countries. My African history isn't very good, but I'd imagine there too. And these are just examp…

This is nonresponsive nonsense. First, you can't just link half of wikipedia and assume the correct supporting argument must be in there somewhere. There's a huge difference between different types of population control measures.

But more to your direct point: the CCP is engaging in forced sterilizations right now in 2021. See sibling comments with links.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by thaumasiotes »

utunbu wrote: post #22
neverywhere wrote: post #12

China is pretty scary in this way. The Han ethnic group is the majority in population and leadership and it is enacting policies to suppress the population numbers of non Han-ethnic groups in the country. They do it via birth control and family separation so it happening slowly but it is still decreasing the population of non-Han ethnic groups in comparison to the Han ethnic group. When this was done elsewhere it was…

> birth control If you're referring to the now-obsolete one-child policy, IIRC, they do this to all ethnicity. The ethnic minority usually got more slack when the government enforced this policy. > family separation Mind elaborate a bit?

> The ethnic minority usually got more slack when the government enforced this policy.

More importantly, the policy officially allowed minorities to have two children, which is very much the opposite of driving down minority numbers relative to Han numbers.

There is a popular poem reflecting the Han's view of what their government thinks of them:

一等外人，二等官

三等少民，四等汉

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by aww_dang »

sillyquiet wrote: post #42
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, native Americans?

Not sure of the point of this comment, other than textbook whataboutism. Yes, the situation with the Native Americans wrt the expansion of European settlement in the Americas is similar. At the same time, chattel slavery was widespread and common amongst most nations in the world. Should we tolerate a nation today having slavery because it was a thing for us previously?

Judging the past by the standards of the present is problematic at best and regressive in the worst case.

The best examples of the human condition represent a desire to improve on our mistakes. Because we are imperfect, those with the will to do so must always be striving for improvement.

If we appeal to this erroneous view of history, what will future generations be able say of us under the same logic?

If we subscribe to this flawed logic, which past atrocities are not justified to be repeated today?

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by CogitoCogito »

thinktankie wrote: post #41

A reminder of how great life was for Tibetans under the feudal, theocratic serfdom of the lamas [1]. [1] “In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the “middle-class” families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned…

The PRC didn't invade Tibet for these reasons. This is historical revisionism.
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