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CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by sangnoir »

sillyquiet wrote: post #42
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, native Americans?

Not sure of the point of this comment, other than textbook whataboutism. Yes, the situation with the Native Americans wrt the expansion of European settlement in the Americas is similar. At the same time, chattel slavery was widespread and common amongst most nations in the world. Should we tolerate a nation today having slavery because it was a thing for us previously?

The United States governement is not honoring its treaties with the native peoples to this day. This is not just an artifact of the past, but an ongoing injustice. https://www.history.com/news/native-american-broken-treaties

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by cucumb3rrelish »

ilamont wrote: post #65

Tibetans live in many parts of China outside of Tibet, including southern Gansu and Qinghai (historically known as Amdo, see https://collab.its.virginia.edu/wiki/aboutthl/An%20Overview%... ). Northern and western Sichuan province also had large populations of Tibetan people living in remote areas ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngawa_Tibetan_and_Qiang_Autono... ), sometimes near temples such as Langmusi on the Sichua…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism)

> Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf argued in the chapter "Eastern Orientation or Eastern Policy" that the Germans needed Lebensraum in the East and described it as a "historic destiny" which would properly nurture the future generations of Germans

> [...] was to be carried out through a rapidly enforced process of Gleichschaltung (synchronization). The ultimate intent of this was to eradicate all traces of national rather than racial consciousness, although their native languages were to remain in existence

> [...] After Germany had acquired her Lebensraum, she now needed to populate these lands according to Nazi ideology and racial principles

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by blahblahblogger »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #32
queuebert wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the CCP is encouraging Han to move there until the Tibetans are no longer the majority. They may have already accomplished this, as an accurate census is hard to find.

It is difficult, only 8.17% were Han in Tibet according to the 2010 census (probably higher now, but far from 50%), not including military stationed there. Even with the subsidies they are providing, life is fairly hard in Tibet due to the high altitude. Even the high altitude areas of adjacent provinces (which were formerly part of Tibet) don't have many Han in them.

And that's crazy to me.

I would have figured that with the CCP having ~1.5 billion people to choose from, that they could move a few million Han into Tibet (current pop. according to google: 3,648,100).

Even just 1-2 mil could potentially accomplish the CCP's goals?

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by uniqueuid »

justicezyx wrote: post #86
toss1 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>"...seen blatant external interference in China’s internal affairs related to Xinjiang..., Tibet..., Hong Kong...." Yup, classic disinformation method - just assume the conclusion and blame someone else. The reason that othet nations have something to say about it is that CCP is blatantly overstepping their rights in those regions. CCP is an invader, not the rightful ruler. They're starting the same incrementalism…

*Let me shed some light on the CCP's propaganda, and explain a bit why your statements might meet a deaf ear.* I present this to showcase the rationale behind many pro-China netizens living in China (both ethnic Chinese and non-Chinese). Note that I could not give detailed references, because I am not a professional political scientists or historian, and I do not keep such records. Hopefully it opens a window for mor…

I appreciate that you took the time to elaborate in length, but that's a lot of hand-waving in here.

I think it would be much more in the spirit of HN to make shorter but source-backed statements.

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Post by jfk13 »

jimbob45 wrote: post #49
majormajor wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What percentage of the population of the land that is now the US did they represent when Europeans first started colonies there? From the CCP's perspective, would a similar decline in percentage be desirable? From our historical view of the US, are the actions that got us here praiseworthy?

To be fair, a majority of the native population died due to the Europeans inadvertently introducing Smallpox. While I agree with your argument as a whole, I would advise against trying to use numerical arguments for Europe's treatment of the natives.

> inadvertently introducing

Not always inadvertently, perhaps:

https://www.history.com/news/colonists-native-americans-smal...

Although that article says that "there’s only one clearly documented instance of a colonial attempt to spread smallpox", the fact that there is any "clearly documented instance" of such an attempt is pretty horrific.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by optimalsolver »

actuator wrote: post #73
Aunche wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many Americans who condemn the CCP would be in favor of other nations punishing the US for all their atrocities?

Is it happening right now as we speak? If we go enough back in time every nation has blood on their hands.

>Is it happening right now as we speak?

The Black Lives Matter protests of the past year say yes.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by uniqueuid »

cucumb3rrelish wrote: post #92
ilamont wrote: post #65

Tibetans live in many parts of China outside of Tibet, including southern Gansu and Qinghai (historically known as Amdo, see https://collab.its.virginia.edu/wiki/aboutthl/An%20Overview%... ). Northern and western Sichuan province also had large populations of Tibetan people living in remote areas ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngawa_Tibetan_and_Qiang_Autono... ), sometimes near temples such as Langmusi on the Sichua…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_(Nazism) > Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf argued in the chapter "Eastern Orientation or Eastern Policy" that the Germans needed Lebensraum in the East and described it as a "historic destiny" which would properly nurture the future generations of Germans > [...] was to be carried out through a rapidly enforced process of Gleichschaltung (synchronization). The ultimate intent of thi…

I don't get why this is downvoted, because it succinctly summarizes what the Nazis did (having studied part of the phenomenon - Gleichschaltung - in depth).
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