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CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by bpodgursky »

vkou wrote: post #56
swiley wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have yet to meet someone IRL who thinks what was done to native Americans was just and also condemns the CCP for their treatment of minorities.

You'll immediately find a lot of those people if you re-frame the question in terms of reparations. In the same way, there's no shortage of people in America condemning police treatment of HK protestors (Repressed people fighting for freedom), who also support police treatment of BLM protestors (Rioters and lowlifes with no real grievances who just want to ruin everything). That's because most people don't hold polit…

Not everyone views reparations are an appropriate response for past injustices. Your framing the situation is a litmus-test aimed at excluding people.

Every human being in history is at the tail of a long line of injustices and atrocities. The current way to fix things today is to look at the situation people are in, today, and remediate as necessary. I'm the 4th generation from eastern european serfs, who were treated as livestock or part of the land. It doesn't affect me today in the slightest. I don't deserve reparations.

This isn't an argument against a social safety net or social welfare. It's an argument against crude race-based cash transfers that ignore who is and isn't hindered today by past injustices.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by VictorPath »

swiley wrote: post #26
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, native Americans?

I have yet to meet someone IRL who thinks what was done to native Americans was just and also condemns the CCP for their treatment of minorities.

> yet to meet someone IRL who thinks what was done to native Americans was just

By was, I presume you mean five years ago, as the US broke the Treaty of Fort Laramie, pepper spraying and sicing guard dogs on natives in Standing Rock in order to build an oil pipeline. The natives testified at the UN human rights council as to what was happening.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakota_Access_Pipeline_prote...

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by actuator »

Aunche wrote: post #68
swiley wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have yet to meet someone IRL who thinks what was done to native Americans was just and also condemns the CCP for their treatment of minorities.

How many Americans who condemn the CCP would be in favor of other nations punishing the US for all their atrocities?

Is it happening right now as we speak? If we go enough back in time every nation has blood on their hands.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by beaunative »

throwawaysea wrote: post #11

Really sad to see Tibet under CCP control. It would be much preferable if the region were an autonomous province of India, with whom Tibet has cultural affinity. Note that the real Dalai Lama has had to live in exile for decades in India, while seeing his people get slowly indoctrinated by the Chinese government via various education programs and such ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama ). The word peop…

Only if by cultural affinity you meant a Caste system had Tibet had any similarity to India.

Buddhism was wiped, or in your word cultrually-genocided, by Hinduism already in India.

The only reason why India might be anywhere interested in hosting a Buddhism monk is to annoy China, and nothing else.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by VictorPath »

afandian wrote: post #61
swiley wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have yet to meet someone IRL who thinks what was done to native Americans was just and also condemns the CCP for their treatment of minorities.

Does anyone think what was done to Native Americans was just?

was?

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by vkou »

bpodgursky wrote: post #71
vkou wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'll immediately find a lot of those people if you re-frame the question in terms of reparations. In the same way, there's no shortage of people in America condemning police treatment of HK protestors (Repressed people fighting for freedom), who also support police treatment of BLM protestors (Rioters and lowlifes with no real grievances who just want to ruin everything). That's because most people don't hold polit…

Not everyone views reparations are an appropriate response for past injustices. Your framing the situation is a litmus-test aimed at excluding people. Every human being in history is at the tail of a long line of injustices and atrocities. The current way to fix things today is to look at the situation people are in, today, and remediate as necessary. I'm the 4th generation from eastern european serfs, who were treat…

My framing is the only meaningful litmus test. I don't give a shit about feelings, are you going to do anything about past and current injustice, where you can?

The answer, in the United States, is predominantly "No" from both sides of the political spectrum to the first question, and "Mostly No/No" to the second.

I'd also like to point out that even the Soviet Union/the Russian Federation flirted with reparations for victims of Stalin's repression.

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Post by kat »

neverywhere wrote: post #12

China is pretty scary in this way. The Han ethnic group is the majority in population and leadership and it is enacting policies to suppress the population numbers of non Han-ethnic groups in the country. They do it via birth control and family separation so it happening slowly but it is still decreasing the population of non-Han ethnic groups in comparison to the Han ethnic group. When this was done elsewhere it was…

There are increasing number of reports in Canada that Indigenous Women were forcefully sterilized in the last few decades. Women who gave birth in hospitals had their tubes tied after giving birth. I agree this is a one of "the worst forms of racisim/ethonicide/genocide". And yes, I dont understand why more (white) Canadians are not aware of this, and why there has not been a larger out cry over this. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/report-indigenous-w...

[Edit] I am against forced sterilization by anyone on to any one. I want to highlight that sterilization has happened in recent years in Canada. As the message above me points out, there is very little outcry in North America. Here is a data point where sterilization has happened in Canada and there is very little public outcry or knowledge of the situation.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by allemagne »

throwawaysea wrote: post #11

Really sad to see Tibet under CCP control. It would be much preferable if the region were an autonomous province of India, with whom Tibet has cultural affinity. Note that the real Dalai Lama has had to live in exile for decades in India, while seeing his people get slowly indoctrinated by the Chinese government via various education programs and such ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama ). The word peop…

Obviously, Tibetans should be in charge of Tibet and decide for themselves.

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Post by [deleted] »

hosh wrote: post #47
queuebert wrote: post #8

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I believe the CCP is encouraging Han to move there until the Tibetans are no longer the majority. They may have already accomplished this, as an accurate census is hard to find.

Yup. That is a page from the cultural assimilation playbook. This is also why much effort went into building a rail line from the heartlands of China into Tibet, including crazy engineering feats necessary to stabilize soil within the weather extremes of those region. Another page from the playbook: standardize the official script in which you write the spoken language. That has happened multiple times in Chinese his…

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