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CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by uniqueuid »

thinktankie wrote: post #41

A reminder of how great life was for Tibetans under the feudal, theocratic serfdom of the lamas [1]. [1] “In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the “middle-class” families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned…

I agree that the romanticized view of the tibetan societal structure is often very naive.

But, of course, this does not mean that a forced annexation and subjugation by china is the only way that reforms could be made, or in fact the best. There are many different ways of modernization, some totalitarian ones and more liberal ones.

I guess it should be clear which are preferable.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by 8note »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #44
stuaxo wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They clearly were in at one point, which is why the situation is comparable.

Also Tibetans aren't the majority in Shanghai, just Tibet - Like native Americans on current reservations, which continued to shrink in size for a long time.

Yeah, the chinese government is looking for a way to get rid of the Tibetans. The Americans have done well in ensuring the native population has lost power and are shrinking. The end goal of china is to be rid of their Tibetan scourge, just like the Americans would like it if the natives stopped existing

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by beaunative »

Tibetan and Han shared same genetic roots, so does their language (collectively classified as Sino-Tibetan languages). Legendly, in the dawn of human memories, the ancestors of Tibetan lost a tribal war against the ancestors of Han in the east and migrated west to a less-inhabited / less-suitable area as a result.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by allemagne »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #6
JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #5

https://freetibet.org/about/legal-status-tibet Imagine being called a minority in a place you are the majority and have lived for centuries before occupation. https://www.britannica.com/place/Tibet/People "The population of the region is almost entirely Tibetan, with Han (Chinese), Hui (Chinese Muslims), Monba, Lhoba, and other minority nationalities. Thus, the majority of the people of Tibet have the same ethnic ori…

So, native Americans?

Yes, what was done to native Americans was wrong and should not be done to Tibetans, Uyghurs, Mongolians, or any other ethnicity in China.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by bpodgursky »

8note wrote: post #45
bpodgursky wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think the 17th-century treatment of Native Americans is a good template for the treatment of minority-majority populations? I'd like to think we've gotten better.

From a colonial perspective, colonists got everything they wanted it's a good template for anyone looking to take sovereignty over somebody else's land. If you're trying to do that, youre already dropping ethics

Right.. both are bad things. If we could go back in time, we should be telling the US not to abuse and displace the native americans.

I'm confused why there's any disagreement here.

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Post by vkou »

swiley wrote: post #26
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, native Americans?

I have yet to meet someone IRL who thinks what was done to native Americans was just and also condemns the CCP for their treatment of minorities.

You'll immediately find a lot of those people if you re-frame the question in terms of reparations.

In the same way, there's no shortage of people in America condemning police treatment of HK protestors (Repressed people fighting for freedom), who also support police treatment of BLM protestors (Rioters and lowlifes with no real grievances who just want to ruin everything).

That's because most people don't hold political ideology derived from first principles, they just check what their political tribe likes/hates, and follow suit.

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by 8note »

throwawaysea wrote: post #11

Really sad to see Tibet under CCP control. It would be much preferable if the region were an autonomous province of India, with whom Tibet has cultural affinity. Note that the real Dalai Lama has had to live in exile for decades in India, while seeing his people get slowly indoctrinated by the Chinese government via various education programs and such ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama ). The word peop…

Tibet is a threat to China, since it's where the rivers start. Tibet under India's control is a doomsday scenario for chinese sovereignty

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by cronix »

mesh wrote: post #7
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, native Americans?

Native Americans represent 1.7% of the US population: https://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/omh/browse.aspx?lvl=3&lvlid=6...

Yes, only 1.7% after 500 years of....being left alone?

Re: CCP publication calls Tibet policy a template for other ethnic minority regions

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Post by random314 »

skinkestek wrote: post #48
colpabar wrote: post #20

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>Imagine if Israel You don't have to imagine. https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-ethiopians-coerced-into-bir...

The fuller quote that you conveniently leftout for it to match your sources is: > if Israel wanted its Arab population on birth control (emphasis mine) So, for a start the article is about something completely different. Secondly the article seems pretty open about the fact that the claims are dubious at best.

I guess it's ok because it is not as if Arabs are being forced on birth control, only Black Jews.

Thank you for emphasizing the key point.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2013-01-28/israel-admits-injecti...

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