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The rise of user-hostile software

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Re: The rise of user-hostile software

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Post by southerntofu »

forgingahead wrote: post #9
southerntofu wrote: post #4

Would be nice to have more communities dedicated to bloat-free, user-respecting UX... that are not complete pro-hitler neonazis like the suckless clique. I'm all ears for links and suggestions!

What do you mean? I didn't know anything about them until this thread, and then there is this comment[0] where one of the devs clearly states: 1. They don't politicise in their group 2. The commenter literally says: "Torch hikes are nothing unusual in Germany and there was no political intent behind it." What's the issue then? Serious question and relevant to the thread because I too would love to see more communitie…

See my other comment where i dug very briefly: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28312725

Re: The rise of user-hostile software

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Post by southerntofu »

dekken_ wrote: post #5
southerntofu wrote: post #4

Would be nice to have more communities dedicated to bloat-free, user-respecting UX... that are not complete pro-hitler neonazis like the suckless clique. I'm all ears for links and suggestions!

> pro-hitler neonazis hyperbole?

See my other comment where i dug very briefly: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28312725

Re: The rise of user-hostile software

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Post by baal80spam »

dekken_ wrote: post #5
southerntofu wrote: post #4

Would be nice to have more communities dedicated to bloat-free, user-respecting UX... that are not complete pro-hitler neonazis like the suckless clique. I'm all ears for links and suggestions!

> pro-hitler neonazis hyperbole?

Wow, it seems the discussion hit the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law really quick.

Re: The rise of user-hostile software

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Post by southerntofu »

tsjq wrote: post #7
southerntofu wrote: post #4

Would be nice to have more communities dedicated to bloat-free, user-respecting UX... that are not complete pro-hitler neonazis like the suckless clique. I'm all ears for links and suggestions!

please check https://1mb.club/ related HN thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25151773 https://10kbclub.com/ R HN T : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25556860

I like that, but unfortunately it's just for the web. My personal website could fit in there btw https://staticadventures.netlib.re/

I'd be interested to have a more generic community in the spirit of suckless, though maybe not as radical in its interpretation of minimalism.

From the recent threads about Haiku OS, i gather that implementing features/UX is not incompatible with respecting user resources. That's what i'm interested in.

I also follow gemini protocol development, the Jabber/XMPP community, and i'm also a member on rawtext.club (an SSH social network where i'm not as active there as i should be).

I'd be interested in a cross-project platform much like suckless to gather such lightweight programs/protocols, if you can think of any.

Re: The rise of user-hostile software

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Post by southerntofu »

baal80spam wrote: post #13
dekken_ wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> pro-hitler neonazis hyperbole?

Wow, it seems the discussion hit the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law really quick.

That's unrelated. Godwin's law state that you would call someone you disagree with a nazi in order to discredit them.

In this case, i agree with the suckless arguments, but i'm considering serious evidence that key contributors to the suckless community are actual neonazis, and that the community at large seems ok with it because they claim to be non-political (see other comments).

Re: The rise of user-hostile software

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Post by swiley »

southerntofu wrote: post #4

Would be nice to have more communities dedicated to bloat-free, user-respecting UX... that are not complete pro-hitler neonazis like the suckless clique. I'm all ears for links and suggestions!

That's pretty upsetting except Apple is getting racist and attacking sexual deviants as well. The difference is vanishing and in that case I'd rather be using software I know I can throw out and replace.

Re: The rise of user-hostile software

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Post by forgingahead »

southerntofu wrote: post #10
raspyberr wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Suckless.org https://lobste.rs/s/kpuj8p/why_i_use_suckless_tools#c_4g2lqi

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This seems like a lot of jumping to conclusions to fit your pre-determined opinion of them. Without derailing the thread, I do think we all need to extend charity to people who have openly declared what their affiliations are not.

We shouldn't normalise bad interpretations regardless of our own biases.

They have said they're not, so we should take them at face value. Let's now focus on participating to achieve the shared goals of good user-software without bloat, spyware, and other crap that makes up modern technology.

Re: The rise of user-hostile software

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Post by AshamedCaptain »

Aaand if you follow the steps on the flow chart, your product will immediately be dead, forgotten; replaced by some competitor's product who, while being likely technically inferior to your product, did not hesitate to do all these types of shady things in order to gain that bit of extra market share.

"Natural selection" at work. Sad, of course.

Re: The rise of user-hostile software

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Post by fmajid »

southerntofu wrote: post #10
raspyberr wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Suckless.org https://lobste.rs/s/kpuj8p/why_i_use_suckless_tools#c_4g2lqi

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Wow, I was unaware of this subtext, thanks for exposing it.

Germany has very tough laws against glorifying the Nazi regime, so if they are Germans it’s not just sick humor but deliberate.

Though Suckless vs. Poetering seems like a Hitler vs. Stalin evil-fights-evil situation best avoided by giving both a wide berth.

Re: The rise of user-hostile software

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Post by jacquesm »

forgingahead wrote: post #17
southerntofu wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This seems like a lot of jumping to conclusions to fit your pre-determined opinion of them. Without derailing the thread, I do think we all need to extend charity to people who have openly declared what their affiliations are not . We shouldn't normalise bad interpretations regardless of our own biases. They have said they're not, so we should take them at face value. Let's now focus on participating to achieve the s…

> They have said they're not, so we should take them at face value.

If only it were that simple.

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