Interesting way to finish it off:
Now’s the time. Someone needs to start the ball rolling and just say no.
So really just about anyone but author, then?
I don't know how to IE6
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Re: I don't know how to IE6
#92http://www.ie6countdown.com/ "We should stop supporting IE6" "What percentage of people use IE6?" "10%" "Hmm, 10% sounds like a lot of people ... let's support it!"
Well, 10% of the world also uses Macs, but people don't seem to support that as much. Why not? Because it depends on the target demographic. IE6 usage is probably a lot higher in the corporate environments and thus matters to websites targeted at the corporate world, just like how if you're not targeting hip 20somethings, Mac support is unnecessary.
Since there isn't a crap browser like IE on a Mac, you don't need to "support it", things will work fine if you follow standards.
If you're targeting developers or technology/art/design/movie professionals Mac usage is way above 10%.
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
It really depends on the domain. That two percent can be the difference between wildly profitable and failing. After all, Google still happily sells clicks to IE 6 users. If you're business relies on external ads and optimizing conversion rates, IE 6 remains a priority.
I seriously doubt IE6 support can be the difference between "wildly profitable and failing" for any business. Can you name one example of a failing company that started supporting IE6 and then became wildly profitable?
Obviously it would be the other way around, discontinuing IE6 support might lead to falling. Think of random niche industries with ancient old hardware and no-one who cares about software updates.
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#94I hate web articles that don't have a publish date. This one would seem like a year and a half old.
http://blog.colbyrabideau.com/archive -- August 2011 Edit: OP is the poster of the blog also
>OP is the poster of the blog also
Cool, welcome to HN, Colby. It's a good first submission, have you been lurking long? Why not join the conversation?
Re: I don't know how to IE6
#95http://www.ie6countdown.com/ "We should stop supporting IE6" "What percentage of people use IE6?" "10%" "Hmm, 10% sounds like a lot of people ... let's support it!"
A better argument than the figure today, is where it will be in a year.
From ie6countdown.com, click the line graph icon: http://www.ie6countdown.com/#chart
Extrapolate the line on its current trend and IE6 will not be even 1% in 13 months time.
Why invest a significant effort when the market share will evaporate within the year?
Further, if your project is going to take time to get traction, it may be a reality that by the time you're done the world no longer cares.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
I seriously doubt IE6 support can be the difference between "wildly profitable and failing" for any business. Can you name one example of a failing company that started supporting IE6 and then became wildly profitable?
Obviously it would be the other way around, discontinuing IE6 support might lead to falling. Think of random niche industries with ancient old hardware and no-one who cares about software updates.
Fair enough, but I still don't think a business that is wildly successful would fail by discontinuing IE6 support -- even in a "random niche industry" where IE6 users make up more than 2% of their customer base. In fact, I doubt any of those businesses are currently wild successes. But I guess that all depends on how you define success.
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
In terms of percentage that's pretty small, but that doesn't mean it isn't important. If you estimate the number of US internet users to be ~240 million, 2% is 4.8 million people. Sure, a small chunk of the pie, but still a large chunk of people. And, in a hypothetical situation where your % of revenue generating visitors is exactly the same as for the overall population, not many companies would want to lose 2% of t…
If it costs a large enough amount of money, they would. More precisely, they should . Why stop at IE6? There's still a combined large number of users using IE5 and IE5.5 and Lynx and NS4 and Amaya, etc. In some cases, it may cost quite a large amount to continue to maintain and patch sites to also support IE6, and that money needs to be deducted from the 'profit' had from IE6 users. And more to the point, that same m…
Those browsers are not alike. If you follow standard advice - valid HTML, progressive enhancement, unobstrusive Javascript (or fallbacks where needed) - Lynx will render your snazzy 2011 page with the same fidelity as a 1995 Geocities page, and the result will be perfectly usable. IE6, though, will not only ignore your CSS3 stuff, but also completely misinterpret the things it does "understand".
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Progress? Why do some graybeards feel this sadistic need to make juniors learn pointless stuff (which archaic legacy support kludges for buggy browsers certainly are)? Please note that you may have spent better part of the last 10 years slowly learning about these workarounds, while making your own mistakes. This is the most pointless type of elitism I have ever seen. Why not use the new advanced knowledge, this kids…
IE6 support is not pointless if your target market includes banks and large corporates which are still using IE6.
They are wasting money by using IE6. Yes you can argue, that they pay for IE6 development and thus its their money and that we should not care.
However it is we who sell Win7 and IE6 support at the same time. And by supporting IE6 we lock our customers into stone age even more.
There are plenty of alternatives for any software that had to be done via ActiveX 7 years ago. It is completely our (industry) fault that banks and large corporates keep using IE6 - since we would rather milk them dry with our shitty solutions than to help them move on.
So what are you proposing... That banks and large corporates keep using Win XP for the next 10,20 years (????).
What about general productivity, usability, security, etc?
What these victims should (but will not) learn is that buying software on the cheap, with disregard to open standards is extremely costly and unwise.
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#99try html5boilerplate
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Pretty much nobody supports IE6 anymore. That's just not true in my experience. We have two large corporate clients and one state agency that each require some level of IE6 support. I have a hard time believing these are the exception. I'd wager it's going to take a few more years to reach that point.
We have thousands of corporate clients and we tell them all the same thing: They can use any browser they like but it must be the latest / current version. Some of them grumble a bit but we've not lost a client because of IE6 in years.
So all of your clients (who use IE) are using IE9? I find this hard to believe, especially since many corporations are still running Windows XP, which will never get IE9.