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Airbnb offers free accommodation for 20k Afghan refugees

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post #100

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“The alternative to occupation would be a more complete destruction of the country.” You seem to be conflating a theocratic regime being in charge with the bloodshed of war, or as you call it, occupation. A great many people died and were horribly injured throughout the 20 year war. But you think the wrong regime would have been a “more complete destruction?”

So the way I see it, there no way we can tolerate the Taliban facilitating attacks on US soil. So after the initial invasion and defeat of Taliban forces, what is the correct move? Occupation didn’t work, but leaving after overthrowing the theocracy just allows the theocracy to reform. It seems to me that a more thorough elimination of the remaining Taliban is the only other option here. I am legitimately asking what…

I've spent the better part of a decade thinking about this question, and I've settled on one answer: if the objective was to erase the theocracy and install a western-style or western-aligned government, we should've treated Afghanistan like an Imperial colony. Fully erase all traces of how Afghans managed themselves, force them to pay taxes to the US government for providing security and administering their government, and hand off administration of that government in pieces over the course of a generation as the civil infrastructure matures.

I think this is a stupid objective, however. It would be astronomically expensive, it would've cost untold amounts of blood, and "doing Colonialism" in the 21st century is frowned upon for good reason. What would we gain? What would the Afghans gain? Money from mineral extraction? In the end, we did psuedo-colonialism anyway, and it got us nothing but dead Americans and dead Afghans.

Re: Airbnb offers free accommodation for 20k Afghan refugees

#152
post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the way I see it, there no way we can tolerate the Taliban facilitating attacks on US soil. So after the initial invasion and defeat of Taliban forces, what is the correct move? Occupation didn’t work, but leaving after overthrowing the theocracy just allows the theocracy to reform. It seems to me that a more thorough elimination of the remaining Taliban is the only other option here. I am legitimately asking what…

I had one idea. Invest $60-80 billion dollars a year in infrastructure and humanitarian projects inside Afghanistan from 2002-2020. That's about triple their total GDP and similar to the cost of war. That investment gradually leads to deradicalization, both because people become better educated and happier, but also because they start to see the US as a legitimate friend.

I'm genuinely surprised that people still think "do more NGO investment" would've worked. What do you think we did for 20 years there? I walked I don't know how many patrols where we went to hand out money to Afghan "contractors" for building a road, and they'd just disappear after they got paid.

>That investment gradually leads to deradicalization, both because people become better educated and happier, but also because they start to see the US as a legitimate friend.

Nope. They see us as rubes.

Re: Airbnb offers free accommodation for 20k Afghan refugees

#154
It's extremely generous of you to do this for foreigners, why not do this for the homeless here? I think we are going to regret letting these thousands and thousands of Afgans into our country. Maybe one of these thousands has a friend or cousin who you never know could want to harm the US... And now they have an in......

Re: Airbnb offers free accommodation for 20k Afghan refugees

#156
post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The alternative to occupation would be a more complete destruction of the country.” You seem to be conflating a theocratic regime being in charge with the bloodshed of war, or as you call it, occupation. A great many people died and were horribly injured throughout the 20 year war. But you think the wrong regime would have been a “more complete destruction?”

So the way I see it, there no way we can tolerate the Taliban facilitating attacks on US soil. So after the initial invasion and defeat of Taliban forces, what is the correct move? Occupation didn’t work, but leaving after overthrowing the theocracy just allows the theocracy to reform. It seems to me that a more thorough elimination of the remaining Taliban is the only other option here. I am legitimately asking what…

The Taliban != Al Qaeda

These are two distinctly different things.

Re: Airbnb offers free accommodation for 20k Afghan refugees

#157

The proper title should be: "Airbnb will ask hosts to offer accomodation" It is great initiative but Airbnb does not own locations .

Why would you say that? If I bought 1000 hotel nights for refugee wouldn’t it be me offering them free accommodation despite the fact that I own zero hotels? The AirBnB spokesperson says > ... we will be paying for these stays ... So I think it’s pretty clear

You are right, i think this title is better:

AirBnB will pay hosts for accomodation for 20k refugees.

Anyways great initiative.

Re: Airbnb offers free accommodation for 20k Afghan refugees

#158

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it's temporary

Can you elaborate a little bit? I don't want to assume what you were trying to say or put words in you mouth. Is the accommodation temporary? Is it the offer? Are refugees temporarily here? Where is 'here' from the previous sentence?

the accommodation being paid by AirBnb is temporary
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