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Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by DenverCode »

l30n4da5 wrote: post #158
monkeyfacebag wrote: post #14

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I don't want to yuck anyone's yum but the thought of maintaining, keeping charged, finding room for and managing data on so many computers sounds like a nightmare to me.

the most I manage for machines right now is: 1 work-provided laptop 1 personal laptop 1 gaming desktop 1 backup laptop (old, like 10 years old) 1 closet server desktop (also old, but runs terraria servers just fine) On my desk, I use 2 HDMI switches and a USB 3.0 switch to use the same peripherals and monitors for both my work laptop and gaming desktop. At the end of the day, I just hit the buttons on the switches to…

It's very interesting to read about other setups and how people use them. For me, it's simply a MBA and logitech mx master 3 mouse.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by VortexDream »

chrisseaton wrote: post #309
SirZimzim wrote: post #298

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The idea is that due to the special repair it will be costly enough to the point where you will opt for buying a new laptop. It's $200 for a 2015 MacBook Pro for Apple to replace the battery. An aftermarket battery costs around $50 but it's tricky to install.

> The idea is that due to the special repair it will be costly enough But Apple has to replace the batteries and pay for it under their warranties, not you.

Warranty only goes for 1-3 years. Where the rate of failure for batteries is very low. After that, you're stuck with high repair costs or buying a new device that falls under warranty again. It's a racket and people keep falling for it.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by titledlee »

trangus_1985 wrote: post #330

I bought a new high end thinkpad (i forget, it was a few years ago). The display was clearly defective, serious dark spots. Lenovo held a firm line that I would have to send it in and wait 3 weeks for a replacement. New out of the box. They tried to change their tune when I asked for a refund but I was finished dealing with their support "quality" - imagine the level of support that would happen if something broke ou…

Interesting, i've always had the experience with Apple that if it was within the 2 week or 30 day(im too lazy to go check) period of having received the device, if there was any issue at all, they'd basically just give you a new one on the spot / take a refund and just buy the exact same model. Edit: YMMV, i might just have been lucky and been dealt with by a very kind apple employee

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by threeseed »

zzt123 wrote: post #244
amatecha wrote: post #170

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Hmmm.. FWIW, I type at like 130wpm (I have won typing competitions), and have never experienced frequent text-input latency on my Macs (I've used Macs since the mid-80's). Only intermittent due to obvious things like CPU-intensive operations in progress. Did you see it happening on really "simple" applications like Terminal? What's crazy to me is how you saw it happening on a fresh OS install... had you installed any…

Fresh is "fresh but with IntelliJ and a large project open", but without all the background NGINX etc installed. Once one app starts lagging, they all lag. Terminal, TextEdit, Safari, Notes, IntelliJ, everything. I'm well north of 130wpm, but I don't think that matters for the issues that my Macs have had to deal with, as I used to be well below 130wpm and still experienced such issues.

We have hundreds of engineers at work who all use the same apps on latest MacBook Pros.

There have been zero reports of widespread lagging which clearly indicates that there is some problem with your setup. IntelliJ is the likely candidate especially if you are doing Scala or Kotlin development.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by zenexer »

chrisseaton wrote: post #309
SirZimzim wrote: post #298

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The idea is that due to the special repair it will be costly enough to the point where you will opt for buying a new laptop. It's $200 for a 2015 MacBook Pro for Apple to replace the battery. An aftermarket battery costs around $50 but it's tricky to install.

> The idea is that due to the special repair it will be costly enough But Apple has to replace the batteries and pay for it under their warranties, not you.

Maybe it's different in some parts of the world, but at least in the US, the scenario described by the parent will not be covered by the warranty, and you will have to pay for it:

> It's $200 for a 2015 MacBook Pro for Apple to replace the battery.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by acdha »

pier25 wrote: post #296
sombremesa wrote: post #88

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> Because the initial investment is so high you're practically forced to add extra Apple Care to protect it because there's a 20-30% chance you will have problems during those first years. Here's the inverse argument: it's absolutely ridiculous I have to pay 20-30% extra for my Macbook even though I don't care about the mandatory 3-year warranty. They should let me opt out for a discount! Well, they do. > you're prac…

I'm not anti Apple at all. I'm using an iMac right now and I also use an iPad Pro daily. What I'm saying is, Macs should include 3 years of warranty at current prices. If Macs had the reliability of iPads and iPhones it would make more sense to not get the extended warranty.

> If Macs had the reliability of iPads and iPhones it would make more sense to not get the extended warranty.

They do. People who don't have problems don't complain so you have to be careful basing your impression on what people feel motivated to mention.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by noduerme »

Bud wrote: post #220
gambiting wrote: post #207

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I refuse to accept that as an answer as to why the battery is glued in. It's just laziness by apple, there's is literally zero reason to use glue to hold the battery, and it means that if you want to ever replace it yourself you end up looking at a 50-steps long guide on ifixit where one of them is pouring solvent behind the battery - it's insane. Just have a system of tabs holding the battery packs in place, glue is…

No, it's not laziness. Nothing about the internal design of the Mac is due to "laziness". Apple has clearly decided that the battery is better held in place by adhesive than by a "system of tabs". This could easily be for durability or safety reasons. It's a big, big problem if a battery gets damaged. If your argument is that the replacement process has too many steps, this argument fails: you'd save at most one step…

My 2015 Air has an easily replaceable battery. It's needed replacement once and only requires a screwdriver. That's good design. Gluing a battery in is only "good design" if you want to make it as difficult as possible for people to repair their own machines.

Heck, I still have MBPs that had hot swappable batteries. That was even better design.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by npongratz »

masklinn wrote: post #192
zsmi wrote: post #171

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I don't know about always. Apple has been around a long time and apparently the MacBook Pro 15" Unibody Mid 2012 was a decent machine for repairability, according to asdff and ifixit anyway. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28305508

The older macbooks were definitely pretty good at repairability (though iirc you had to take the G4s apart completely to access anything, but the unibodies had easy access to most things, on the whitebooks I think the battery was even removable and that gave you access to the ram and hdd slots), but I was talking about the reliability (durability) not the repairability.

> ... though iirc you had to take the G4s apart completely to access anything ...

Powerbook G4s (at least, the titanium one I used for about 10 years) had a keyboard you could lift off to access some of the guts. I found it quite nice.

Re: My MacBook Pro had over 10k USD in repairs

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Post by Cockbrand »

fouc wrote: post #329
tistoon wrote: post #322

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I would like to upgrade my disk while keeping the OS version (clone?). Could you please tell me how did you do?

I cloned to a USB drive, swapped the SSDs, and then booted up with the USB drive, and cloned back to the new SSD. -- You will need an NVMe SSD adapter similar to this https://www.amazon.com/Sintech-Adapter-Upgrade-2013-2015-Mac... There's a whole thread writeup here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/upgrading-2013-2014-mac... -- You can also download old versions of MacOS installers. I forget the link to the easi…

I did the same with my 2015 MacBook Pro, and I'm still amazed that a $5 adapter and an Intel SSD are super fast and don't cause any problems at all. The machine sleeps, wakes, hibernates without any issues whatsoever. Also, I sold the original, well used Apple 1TB SSD for more than I paid for the brand new 2TB Intel SSD.
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