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I don't know how to IE6

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Re: I don't know how to IE6

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Pretty much nobody supports IE6 anymore. I know how to IE6, like most devs a little older than the author. I just choose not to. Because I can.

> Pretty much nobody supports IE6 anymore.

That's just not true in my experience. We have two large corporate clients and one state agency that each require some level of IE6 support. I have a hard time believing these are the exception. I'd wager it's going to take a few more years to reach that point.

Re: I don't know how to IE6

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Colby needs to go back and challenge the requirement with his boss. Business isn't entirely a top-down process -- if it's not a good idea, it's his duty as an employee to express this. Lots of great ideas and insights come from the most junior people. It's easy to come off as difficult when voicing dissent, so it's important to be thoughtful and constructive.

In this case, it's easy -- just bring Microsoft's own data to the table. According to http://www.ie6countdown.com, only 2% of the US uses IE6, and it's clearly not 2% more work. In addition, big sites like Facebook and YouTube have abandoned IE6 support. The company's needs will differ from the averages, but it's a good starting point to start looking at the data.

Re: I don't know how to IE6

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post #9

I hate web articles that don't have a publish date. This one would seem like a year and a half old.

http://blog.colbyrabideau.com/archive -- August 2011 Edit: OP is the poster of the blog also

I was confused for a few seconds when I checked the date and saw that it was currently July 2011.

Re: I don't know how to IE6

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2% of the US uses IE6. Explain that to your boss and ask if it's still necessary to support it. [Update] For Google Apps, Google no longer supports IE7. YouTube support for IE6 was dropped a year ago, and they make a lot of ad money from YouTube now.

In terms of percentage that's pretty small, but that doesn't mean it isn't important. If you estimate the number of US internet users to be ~240 million, 2% is 4.8 million people. Sure, a small chunk of the pie, but still a large chunk of people. And, in a hypothetical situation where your % of revenue generating visitors is exactly the same as for the overall population, not many companies would want to lose 2% of t…

The blog post talks about Facebook development. Has Facebook ever released browser share numbers? I bet their target audience is a lot less than 2% IE6.

Re: I don't know how to IE6

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post #23
post #15

2% of the US uses IE6. Explain that to your boss and ask if it's still necessary to support it. [Update] For Google Apps, Google no longer supports IE7. YouTube support for IE6 was dropped a year ago, and they make a lot of ad money from YouTube now.

In terms of percentage that's pretty small, but that doesn't mean it isn't important. If you estimate the number of US internet users to be ~240 million, 2% is 4.8 million people. Sure, a small chunk of the pie, but still a large chunk of people. And, in a hypothetical situation where your % of revenue generating visitors is exactly the same as for the overall population, not many companies would want to lose 2% of t…

Opera has more market share. However, many sites don't support it. The iPad is already at 1% market share and should easily be at 2% within the next 12 months. It really depends on your target audience, of course, but which group of people would you guess has more extra cash to spend? I would target the iPad audience before the IE6 audience.

Re: I don't know how to IE6

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In terms of percentage that's pretty small, but that doesn't mean it isn't important. If you estimate the number of US internet users to be ~240 million, 2% is 4.8 million people. Sure, a small chunk of the pie, but still a large chunk of people. And, in a hypothetical situation where your % of revenue generating visitors is exactly the same as for the overall population, not many companies would want to lose 2% of t…

The blog post talks about Facebook development. Has Facebook ever released browser share numbers? I bet their target audience is a lot less than 2% IE6.

I was responding to a specific comment which suggested 2% is nothing worth caring about, not to the original blog.

That said, I would think that Facebook is mainstream enough to get it's fair share of non-technical users.

Re: I don't know how to IE6

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post #15

2% of the US uses IE6. Explain that to your boss and ask if it's still necessary to support it. [Update] For Google Apps, Google no longer supports IE7. YouTube support for IE6 was dropped a year ago, and they make a lot of ad money from YouTube now.

Sure, perhaps 2% of the US as measured by some collection of large, publically facing websites. Now try taking that measurement again within the walls of a set of large corporations. This becomes particularly relevant if you're developing an internal application for one of those corporations.

Re: I don't know how to IE6

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post #15

2% of the US uses IE6. Explain that to your boss and ask if it's still necessary to support it. [Update] For Google Apps, Google no longer supports IE7. YouTube support for IE6 was dropped a year ago, and they make a lot of ad money from YouTube now.

It really depends on the domain. That two percent can be the difference between wildly profitable and failing. After all, Google still happily sells clicks to IE 6 users. If you're business relies on external ads and optimizing conversion rates, IE 6 remains a priority.

Google dropped IE6 support for YouTube over a year ago. They are dropping Google Apps support for IE7 on Aug 1st (that's today for some people reading this).

For search results it's probably more worthwhile and not as hard to support the IE's but for their other apps they say they are only supporting that two most recent browsers.

Re: I don't know how to IE6

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

10% of the population of the world use IE6, but that is heavily weighted by countries such as China (34%) and South Korea (22%) If your target audience is English-speaking or European countries, the relevant proportion is 2% to 3% or less. That's a pretty good level to start to consider whether supporting that small percentage is actually making you more money than you would if you didn't support their browser.

Does anyone know why Asia has such a high level of IE6 usage? I don't think it has to do with the computers being old, because IE6 usage is relatively high even in developed places like Japan, Hong Kong, and Singapore.

A major reason in South Korea is that in the late 90s, the government mandated the use of ActiveX for online banking. This was only recently repealed, and the Korean government is now encouraging people to move on.

The government mandate encouraged many websites to also use ActiveX. South Korea is probably the only country where ActiveX is still in use. Internet Explorer has a browser share of 90-95% in Korea. IE6 is about 15-20% of this.

Re: I don't know how to IE6

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://blog.colbyrabideau.com/archive -- August 2011 Edit: OP is the poster of the blog also

I was confused for a few seconds when I checked the date and saw that it was currently July 2011.

It didn't even occur to me until you mentioned it. August is still six minutes away here.
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