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U.S. drone pilot leaks footage reveals accidental killing of children and adults

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I rather avoid an Oblivion like future.

Yes, many do seem to worry about AI more than nuclear weapons - more so if they even cross streams so too speak. But I do wonder how much of things are driven by worst case hoilloywood visualsations of things. Certainly the whole cold war and peoples mentalities, was very much media driven from the fear aspect. Will AI share the same and will we get to the stage that we see anti AI groups form and the term and histor…

You do have a point, but note how some predictions have come true. We have a real 1984 going on with only real difference being hashtags along the lines of "omg. room 101. emoji_here".

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Is it cynical to think this was intentionally leaked to boost support for withdrawing from Afghanistan?

Scrolled through the comments to upvote this, or write it if it wasn't already. If it's just leaked it's pretty obvious. If it's older, I still suspect it was dug up again on purpose, but it's less glaring.

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We need to seriously examine our own morality for allowing these ghouls to basically genocide brown people. We are absolutely the baddies; between Iraq, Afghanistan and our air strikes on Syria, Libya, and Yemen during the same period killed 1 million civilians . We’re within an order of magnitude of the Holocaust, and we all just pretend everything is ok. I really don’t know why there aren’t more discussions of how…

Genuine question - how do you get that 1 million figure?

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/20...

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An old soldiers take: https://www.ted.com/talks/robert_gallimore_why_it_matters_ho... In summary drones make it to easy for the countries like the UK and the US to kill with no risk to their own service men. The missiles are not magic, there will be collateral damage. Solders on the ground could mitigate this

> The missiles are not magic, there will be collateral damage. Solders on the ground could mitigate this

I have no data about this but my gut tells me a drone could operate more safely than a ground team. The drone pilot is under much less stress while foot soldiers have to make live and death decisions in split seconds.

Also drone strikes are easier to audit than opaque small team operations in enemy territory.

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It seems like the general population very largely don't support the Taliban, but for whatever reasons the urban populations aren't willing or able to stand up a credible defence. I suspect the problem is the Taliban are 'only' instituting Islamic law. It's hard to fire up a Muslim population against implementing, er, Islam even if they are against the actual resulting policies.

They don't based on what, UN polls?

Seven rounds of internationally monitored and accredited national and regional elections over the past two decades.

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Can someone explain the origins of the slang for 'charger'? That one would not occur to me.

It means someone who starts running towards a group of soldiers. This may mean they are carrying explosives, but it may just be a play to get the soldiers to shoot an unarmed child in broad daylight.

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I wonder if Facebook Twitter etc. banning violent and bloody content has prevented the public from protesting these things more widely. It is well known that TV broadcasts of Vietnam led to outrage growing against that war.

In a similar vein, I wonder if medical privacy laws are hurting us in this pandemic. If every time the hospitals filled up with patients, camera crews went through and documented all of the people suffering and dying, would those who aren't taking the pandemic seriously have their mind swayed? Obviously those medical privacy laws exist for a reason, but perhaps there should be more effort to ethically document suffer…

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Yep, as you can see now any discussion of it is downvoted into oblivion / killed immediately. It’s not astroturfing but I think the cognitive dissonance between what we believe our country is versus what it actually does is too great. We all wonder how German citizens could have gone along with Nazi atrocities.. and the truth is that they largely didn’t know about them and what they did find out was considered “fake…

I'm reminded of a bit Stephen Colbert did, about the Abu Ghraib torture scandal back when he was on the Daily Show. "Even if this is something we did, it's not something we would do."

I was a big fan of his show in the 00s, but in hindsight I think Colbert did a great disservice to the media landscape in this country by normalizing this kind of sarcastic mimicry. It gives the far-right plausible deniability so they can say “lol it’s just a joke I don’t actually think that” when it doesn’t go over well.

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Genuine question - how do you get that 1 million figure?

It’s 800,000 direct civilian combat deaths and likely several times that from the ancillary dangers of war (starvation, land mines, etc). The designation of “non civilian combatant” was grossly overapplied (see OP about “he had a radio” or “he had an AK-47” as if every Afghan household didn’t have one after 40 years of war). https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/

The cited source does not support the stated proposition. Your link says 335,000 civilians, and it counts all deaths, not just those caused by the U.S.

I was directly involved in U.S. CIVCAS mitigation measures in a Daesh convoy engagement by U.S. air power in the summer of 2016. I cannot comment on anything that transpired within the classified space. However, there was substantial reporting on the discrepancy between the measures implemented by U.S. drone strikes during the engagement, and measures implemented by Iraqi helicopters during the engagement. I encourage you to think about what that discrepancy might mean, if true, about how you're using those numbers.

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This reads like an AI-generated translation. It looks like the source that they're plagiarizing is this Daily Mail article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9924567/US-drone-pi... The points of difference have a strong smell of machine translation. E.g. "Killing for the sake of killing" turns into "I’ll kill you for the killing"; "Connecting Vets" becomes "Veterinary connection". @dang This article should pro…

From another comment chain (credit to @belter), this seems like the original source: https://www.audacy.com/connectingvets/news/inside-america-fa... Comment chain (along with archive link for EU access): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28299929

> This site isn't currently available in the EU

but i'm in the UK!!1ones

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