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U.S. drone pilot leaks footage reveals accidental killing of children and adults

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Re: U.S. drone pilot leaks footage reveals accidental killing of children and adults

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Post by hhsbz »

simonh wrote: post #46
hhsbz wrote: post #24

Gee... After seeing this, I wonder why the Taliban have the support of the populace in Afghanistan.

It seems like the general population very largely don't support the Taliban, but for whatever reasons the urban populations aren't willing or able to stand up a credible defence. I suspect the problem is the Taliban are 'only' instituting Islamic law. It's hard to fire up a Muslim population against implementing, er, Islam even if they are against the actual resulting policies.

They don't based on what, UN polls?

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Post by torstenvl »

DoctorNick wrote: post #4
bearclaw89 wrote: post #3

Don't waste your time, this video doesn't show anything about killing accidentally. War sucks and civilian casualties do happen but this says nothing. Taliban were known for dressing as females to get out of situations and using children as "cover".

Hiding behind women and children, you say? MONSTERS!! http://www.angryflower.com/hiding.html

This kind of sarcastic and emotionally charged comment is not particularly helpful. The fact that a comment by someone you disagree with bears some semblance to a shallow and partisan comic you once read does not constitute meaningful engagement.

Re: U.S. drone pilot leaks footage reveals accidental killing of children and adults

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

bearclaw89 wrote: post #23
robin_reala wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s worse that it’s not “out of the norm” than if it was an isolated incident.

....was only saying that this video doesn't prove it was innocent lives....

It is hard to respond to this. It is true in absolute terms.

That said, do we really want a world like this? Because logical conclusions of it are not fun. It is not like I can wear 'I am innocent' flag. And clearly, not that anyone would respect it.

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Post by Zenst »

When we often look at drones and the advent of AI and the fear of automated killing drones but lets take another perspective. AI that assists in preventing innocents being killed. Still manually controlled but an AI to override hostile action when it deems it wrong. We all focus upon AI to identify and select targets, but an AI to help identify and prevent innocents being impacted - surely that approach would be a worthy goal? After all - no military want's collateral damage.

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Post by FpUser »

flyinglizard wrote: post #8
mustafa_pasi wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a disgusting attitude you have. Imagine if somebody invaded the US because they didn't like the Biden administration. In the process they kill your family, but don't worry, it's just civilian causalities during a war. Shit happens.

I adore such simple reductions for complex geopolitical matters. Yes, now everything is perfectly clear.

>"complex geopolitical matters"

Translation - lunatic politicos bought by a bunch of rich greedy bastards starting wars with countries that can not properly strike back. All for the sake of control and money.

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Post by nceqs3 »

cies wrote: post #37

> accidental killing of children On purpose is a war crime now, so it has to be accidental. Starting/continuing a war is not accidental though. It sure can be baseless (imho most if not all recent US wars were baseless).

The war on ISIS? I heard Raqqa was lovely under their control.

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Post by jiggawatts »

baybal2 wrote: post #26
ceilingcorner wrote: post #12

I wonder if Facebook Twitter etc. banning violent and bloody content has prevented the public from protesting these things more widely. It is well known that TV broadcasts of Vietnam led to outrage growing against that war.

Indeed it was. It is a potent infoweapon. Israel tried hard to prevent release of news coverage with blown to bits Palestinian children on every silly pretext, including "gory content." Yet, when it were blown to bits Israeli children from bombings, they were all over CNN. The world's outrage is clearly not poweless.

Conversely, in more than a few asymmetric conflicts around the world, the weaker side would often parade around footage of dead children. Often carried in the arms of a weeping parent, with their tears making very visible streaks down the concrete dust on their face.

Later, we'd find out that the "parent" was a soldier that found a dead kid in the nearby morgue or hospital for the photo-op.

Or that the video clip was from three years ago, when a building collapsed due to shoddy construction.

NOTE:

I'm certainly not saying that powerful countries aren't responsible for lots and lots of children being killed, because they most certainly are, and in huge, horrifying numbers.

Instead I simply ask that we don't pretend that the lies and propaganda are perpetrated only by one of the sides involved.

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Post by adjkant »

perihelions wrote: post #45

This reads like an AI-generated translation. It looks like the source that they're plagiarizing is this Daily Mail article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9924567/US-drone-pi... The points of difference have a strong smell of machine translation. E.g. "Killing for the sake of killing" turns into "I’ll kill you for the killing"; "Connecting Vets" becomes "Veterinary connection". @dang This article should pro…

From another comment chain (credit to @belter), this seems like the original source: https://www.audacy.com/connectingvets/news/inside-america-fa...

Comment chain (along with archive link for EU access): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28299929

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Post by Y-bar »

adjkant wrote: post #59
perihelions wrote: post #45

This reads like an AI-generated translation. It looks like the source that they're plagiarizing is this Daily Mail article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9924567/US-drone-pi... The points of difference have a strong smell of machine translation. E.g. "Killing for the sake of killing" turns into "I’ll kill you for the killing"; "Connecting Vets" becomes "Veterinary connection". @dang This article should pro…

From another comment chain (credit to @belter), this seems like the original source: https://www.audacy.com/connectingvets/news/inside-america-fa... Comment chain (along with archive link for EU access): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28299929

> This site isn't currently available in the EU

Do you happen to know another source or archived version?

Edit: thanks for the updated links!

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