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Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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I had an Xperia Z3 Compact from Sony and it had this same restriction. Much of its camera functionality (including de-noising) was DRMed and if you unlocked the bootlader it would delete the keys. No way to restore them.

Unlike the Z Fold 3 it doesn't kill the camera completely, you end up with a lower quality camera without its post-processing features but it's still usable.

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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That raises whole other legal questions.... One basic pillar of contract law basically everywhere is that one can not be bound by a contract that they didn't read, even if they signed it. Usually these cases involve coercion or not knowing the language. If nobody can read the EULA because it's 10 pages of densely written legalese, can they even be bound by it? Since BigCo deliberately made their EULA harder to read t…

> One basic pillar of contract law basically everywhere is that one can not be bound by a contract that they didn't read, even if they signed it. Wait, there has to be more nuance to this, right? Like, I can't just sign a contract and say "I didn't read it" when a term I don't like comes into force. Is there a precedent for where that line is?

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Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

#53
While that is a bummer for advanced and/or privacy seeking users, it is understandable.

I have considered membership in the CalyxOS Institute where you get a Google Pixel 4a phone all set up with CalyxOS. Something similar with the most modern hardware would be better, but the situation with Samsung, is what it is.

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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BTW there is no law in Japan about shutter sound, makers are following the consensus by their own will (don’t want to be the only ones to not follow) This is usually just a trivia, but in these cases it’s informative on what length makers feel obligated to go to protect that shutter sound part. Which is, not much in general. If you use a foreign SIM card it won’t follow that rule, same for some of the capture modes,…

Note: India actually has a law over this which is (to emphasise how serious the law is) even coded into AOSP (not on the camera app itself), where it won't allow you to silence the shutter if either you're roaming inside India (regardless of the origin of your SIM card) or you have an Indian SIM card (regardless of where you are roaming). I can't remind a similar law on any East Asian country though.

I have use multiple phones with Indian sim card with no shutter sound.

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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Could it be that the camera is directly connected to the security chip responsible for things like biometrics, payment, etc. and that unlocking disable it?

Somehow it does not make me feel better. I have hardware that becomes more restricted the moment I want to actually use it as I see fit.

Sadly this seems to be the trend of the last few years, that hardware is locked down and you sometimes have to use exploits to have full control over your device

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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> they'll try to find a way to enable the cameras on unlocked phones in the future. In the meantime, I will only buy what ACTUALLY gives me control RIGHT NOW, namely, what is supported by LineageOS: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/

Personally I refuse to buy any device that requires me to go crying to the manufacturer for an unlock key. Google and OnePlus devices can be unlocked locally with no need to contact anyone and beg, so no one can refuse your unlock on a device you already paid for.

T-Mobile US's LG devices came with unlockable bootloaders as well, but that only helps if someone develops a ROM for it. Even then, more and more important functionality is getting locked behind closed doors. On my Stylo 5, it's not the camera, it's VoLTE. What good is it to run a custom ROM if I can't make and receive phone calls?

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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On the surface this seems blatantly illegal: after the sale is made the no-longer-owner removes functionality. Can someone please explain how this is legally not some sort of theft, or bait-and-switch, or ... something? I read comments about firmware licensing, or Japan's camera noise thing. Those sound like Samsung problems, while disabling a camera sounds like an actionable user problem.

If you tamper with the device it's your responsibility, innit? It's not like they disabled a properly functioning device that uses the original firmware with an OTA update.

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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post #57
post #24

On the surface this seems blatantly illegal: after the sale is made the no-longer-owner removes functionality. Can someone please explain how this is legally not some sort of theft, or bait-and-switch, or ... something? I read comments about firmware licensing, or Japan's camera noise thing. Those sound like Samsung problems, while disabling a camera sounds like an actionable user problem.

If you tamper with the device it's your responsibility, innit? It's not like they disabled a properly functioning device that uses the original firmware with an OTA update.

I'm pretty sure Ford would be in serious trouble if it deliberately bricked the entertainment system when you change the oil outside of a dealership.

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

BTW there is no law in Japan about shutter sound, makers are following the consensus by their own will (don’t want to be the only ones to not follow) This is usually just a trivia, but in these cases it’s informative on what length makers feel obligated to go to protect that shutter sound part. Which is, not much in general. If you use a foreign SIM card it won’t follow that rule, same for some of the capture modes,…

Note: India actually has a law over this which is (to emphasise how serious the law is) even coded into AOSP (not on the camera app itself), where it won't allow you to silence the shutter if either you're roaming inside India (regardless of the origin of your SIM card) or you have an Indian SIM card (regardless of where you are roaming). I can't remind a similar law on any East Asian country though.

I searched around in the AOSP source code but nothing jumped out. Can you link to the code?

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you tamper with the device it's your responsibility, innit? It's not like they disabled a properly functioning device that uses the original firmware with an OTA update.

I'm pretty sure Ford would be in serious trouble if it deliberately bricked the entertainment system when you change the oil outside of a dealership.

If you mess with the central electronics of the car I'm sure the car could choose to disable itself and they wouldn't owe you a cent.
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