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Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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What is up with that site repeatedly expanding the border to cover the edges of text on mobile? Such a toxic design.

XDA has gonna from the go to site for Android related everything. To an ad website.

If you don't have a blocker like pihole or something similar, it is unusable on mobile.

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they'll try to find a way to enable the cameras on unlocked phones in the future. In the meantime, I will only buy what ACTUALLY gives me control RIGHT NOW, namely, what is supported by LineageOS: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/

The average consumer only wants to purchase the cross-section between what is the cheapest and works the best. For most consumers Open Source is not a feature.

With various right-to-repair legislation popping up everywhere, I am not so sure.

Software restrictions are one way to ensure planned obsolescence.

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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The new Samsung phones are less attractive for many reasons. A few months ago I upgraded my S8+ to a S20+. I considered the S21+ or Note, but none of those have a microSD slot. I suspect that my next phone will be one of these: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

After Apple's incredible reversal on privacy/spyware inclusion in iOS 15 I've chosen to cancel all future purchases with them and buy this. Hoping my american-made one comes soon.

I will likely continue to carry my 12 pro max 512GB for a while as my primary camera/use old school apps, but my linux phone will be how people reach me/where I store my media and files.

I purchase ~5 iPhones/year for my family (soon to be 6) and upgrade them every year (selling the old hardware). I refuse to participate in their closed ecosystem if they insist on shipping malware.

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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On the surface this seems blatantly illegal: after the sale is made the no-longer-owner removes functionality.

Can someone please explain how this is legally not some sort of theft, or bait-and-switch, or ... something?

I read comments about firmware licensing, or Japan's camera noise thing. Those sound like Samsung problems, while disabling a camera sounds like an actionable user problem.

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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The new Samsung phones are less attractive for many reasons. A few months ago I upgraded my S8+ to a S20+. I considered the S21+ or Note, but none of those have a microSD slot. I suspect that my next phone will be one of these: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

After Apple's incredible reversal on privacy/spyware inclusion in iOS 15 I've chosen to cancel all future purchases with them and buy this. Hoping my american-made one comes soon. I will likely continue to carry my 12 pro max 512GB for a while as my primary camera/use old school apps, but my linux phone will be how people reach me/where I store my media and files. I purchase ~5 iPhones/year for my family (soon to be…

No idea why you're getting downvoted, unless the corporate drones from the company that abandoned you (a loyal customer, as far as I can tell) are trying to do damage control

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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The new Samsung phones are less attractive for many reasons. A few months ago I upgraded my S8+ to a S20+. I considered the S21+ or Note, but none of those have a microSD slot. I suspect that my next phone will be one of these: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

I understand the appeal, but that's paying flagship prices for a phone with 7 year old hardware specs. You're paying for freedom, but trapped in 3 GB of RAM and 32 GB of internal storage (expandable, but you still need to store core software on that internal space).

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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I can almost guarantee this is due to licensing issues with the camera firmware. Modern cameras aren't just hardware any more. They're a mix of hardware and advanced processing algorithms that really do make a huge difference in the final output. Those algorithms are often licensed from 3rd parties with specific licensing requirements. Sony has been reasonably good about enabling open-source and fixing these things i…

> they'll try to find a way to enable the cameras on unlocked phones in the future. In the meantime, I will only buy what ACTUALLY gives me control RIGHT NOW, namely, what is supported by LineageOS: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/

I feel LineageOS + F-Droid is often underrated when it comes to these discussions about alternate ecosystems. If we're ready to let go of name brands, then F-Droid has some very high quality apps[1] built with passion over profit.

But I agree that the initial friction to setup LineageOS on the device is far too high for a non-technical customer, Something which could be only resolved if a devices ships with LineageOS(I think even F(x)tec, Fairphone requires the user to flash LineageOS) but then again memories of that fateful tie-up with device manufacturer which ended CyanogenMod would be fresh within LineageOS team.

Now that's the catch-22, Alternate exists but not for everyone.

[1] https://github.com/SimpleMobileTools

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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The new Samsung phones are less attractive for many reasons. A few months ago I upgraded my S8+ to a S20+. I considered the S21+ or Note, but none of those have a microSD slot. I suspect that my next phone will be one of these: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/

Won't that be a downgrade though, even from your old S8+?

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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It could be for compliance with Japanese law which forbids taking photos without a shutter sound? This in principle doesn't apply when you're not in Japan, but after unlocking Samsung has no way to tell. Edit: reading the article about SONY ( https://www.xda-developers.com/sony-xperia-android-pie-unloc... ), DRM keys seems to be a more likely cause, which drcursor's comment also mentions.

BTW there is no law in Japan about shutter sound, makers are following the consensus by their own will (don’t want to be the only ones to not follow) This is usually just a trivia, but in these cases it’s informative on what length makers feel obligated to go to protect that shutter sound part. Which is, not much in general. If you use a foreign SIM card it won’t follow that rule, same for some of the capture modes,…

Note: India actually has a law over this which is (to emphasise how serious the law is) even coded into AOSP (not on the camera app itself), where it won't allow you to silence the shutter if either you're roaming inside India (regardless of the origin of your SIM card) or you have an Indian SIM card (regardless of where you are roaming).

I can't remind a similar law on any East Asian country though.

Re: Samsung kills the cameras on the Galaxy Z Fold 3 if you unlock the bootloader

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I can almost guarantee this is due to licensing issues with the camera firmware. Modern cameras aren't just hardware any more. They're a mix of hardware and advanced processing algorithms that really do make a huge difference in the final output. Those algorithms are often licensed from 3rd parties with specific licensing requirements. Sony has been reasonably good about enabling open-source and fixing these things i…

It doesn't matter whether it's the tyranny of Samsung being dicks or the tyranny of the copyright cartel jamming the fiction that is intellectual property down our throats (and thereby being dicks) that is fucking up one's phone.

Perhaps the law needs to recognize that buying hardware should come with rights to the firmware. If all hardware is useless without firmware, then all hardware is useless without additional and separate rights, and that is a stupid and inefficient world in which to reside.

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