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Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by ErikVandeWater » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 11:10 PM UTC

monkeydreams wrote: post #740

partiallypro wrote: post #685

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You must be joking? As bad as (some) Republicans are let's not forget Biden, Harris, Schumer, etc saying they wouldn't take the "Trump Vaccine." Not only did that put distrust into the hearts of people on the left, it also gave ammunition for the people on the right. It should have never been a political issue. Unfortunately this is a bipartisan problem (though right now it's more prevalent on the right, I suspect if…

> let's not forget Biden, Harris, Schumer, etc saying they wouldn't take the "Trump Vaccine." Could you point me in the direction of a source on this? I have done my own research and pulled up absolutely nothing. Actually that's inaccurate. I pulled up a BUNCH of 2020 articles where Biden talks about inadequate vaccination orders, etc. But I'd be interested in seeing the basis of your claims.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/tiktok-pos...

Harris:

"If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely. But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it."

Kamala says she would not take a vaccine recommended by Trump, even if recommended by scientists. There is no way in the US for a vaccine to be publicly available without FDA approval so the only interpretation that makes sense is one where even if the FDA approved it, if Trump also approved it she would not take it.

Biden:

"Look at what’s happened. Enormous pressure put on the CDC not to put out the detailed guidelines. The enormous pressure being put on the FDA to say they’re going, that the following protocol will in fact reduce, it will have a giant impact on COVID. All these things turn out not to be true, and when a president continues to mislead and lie, when we finally do, God willing, get a vaccine, who’s going to take the shot? Who’s going to take the shot? You going to be the first one to say, ‘Put me — sign me up, they now say it’s OK’? I’m not being facetious."

Biden says he does not trust the CDC and FDA (at the time) because of political influence.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by jmull » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 11:12 PM UTC

abstractbarista wrote: post #627

jmull wrote: post #413

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Do you really think there are a lot of obese people around that can simply stop being obese but just haven't had a reason to yet? Where do people come up with this stuff?

I think most people can stop. I also think most people lack the resolve to stop.

Those are opposite statements.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by geraneum » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 11:12 PM UTC

polote wrote: post #714

SQueeeeeL wrote: post #504

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People will always be sceptical of deviations from the status quo and politicians will always be there to capitalize on those fears for substantial gains of power. We have the most educated populis in human history and we're still seeing these problems. I'm not sure how you could fix vaccines becoming a political issue without major changes to the political structure.

> We have the most educated populis in human history and we're still seeing these problems This is not really true. Maybe more educated in some areas but not in all of them. People used to be much better educated to build a garden, better educated to understand the nature. I don't think people think differently than they did hundreds of times ago, I don't feel like we are individually smarter

True! The “Literacy” rate has been increased drastically but that’s not the same thing as education. Something is wrong with the system that despite teaching basic biology and physics in high schools, you still find a significant number of high school graduates who think the vaccine shot suddenly turns you into a big magnet.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by tdfx » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 11:13 PM UTC

tialaramex wrote: post #565

autokad wrote: post #521

There is lots of competition for the top of the stupidity list. NYC locking down all summer and then 'opening up' in September seemed top of the list to me. It's not that I thought they should have stayed locked down the entire time, its that they should have opened in the summer so they could lock down in the winter if they really needed it. But seriously though, locking down in the summer to only open up in flu sea…

> Or maybe the whole 'if we just lock down for two weeks, this will be over' tops the list of stupidity New Zealand had 26 deaths in over a year of the pandemic. Not 26 per 100k population. Not 26 per day. Twenty six people full stop. Because in fact "We go hard and we go early" works. Right now they are locked down (since last week) because they had one case in their community, but of course it isn't ever one case a…

> "We go hard and we go early" works.

"We go hard and we go early" works *in a small, remote island nation that is willing to hermetically seal itself off from the rest of the world.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by sk2020 » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 11:14 PM UTC

h3cate wrote: post #633

pohl wrote: post #356

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Even less popular opinion: fear is irrelevant. What we actually have is a cultural gap in how risk is assessed. Some only consider individual risk of death. Others also consider risk to beyond death, and beyond themselves. Casting the latter as afraid is unhelpful.

If you are a healthy person then you are low risk. If you are unhealthy (smoke, overweight, health condition) then you are at risk. I think a lot of people demanding the mandating of vaccines and mask wearing are in the smokers / overweight category and yet those people are never told to become healthy in themselves. People with health conditions have thought about illnesses long before covid. Thoughts?

Smokers are at lower risk of COVID 19 death.

Also, why not make being a healthy weight mandatory? I mean, other than it isn’t a patented pharmaceutical product to be sold? We already have determined that indefinite, population-wide house arrest is OK.

My thoughts are that if you’re afraid of SARS and have confidence in Pfizer and friends, then purchase their products. They’re 99% effective, right?

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by jeremyjh » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 11:15 PM UTC

Covzire wrote: post #744

Clubber wrote: post #642

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"Masks aren't effective" "Masks are effective" "Vaccinated don't have to wear masks" "Vaccinated should wear masks" "COVID is not airborne" "COVID is airborne" "COVID came from a wet market" "COVID came from a lab" "If you caught it, you have immunity" "If you caught it, you might not have immunity" It's not difficult to understand why there is so much confusion. Our government was and has been quite inept at its mes…

It's not just that the CDC/Fauci and the Government have been a major contributor to the disinformation out there, it's that there is a political force running at full power pushing vaccines as the one and only possible solution to COVID-19. Before Trump left the White House, the Democratic party leadership came out against the vaccine. NOw that they're in power again, every signal and message they send is Pro Vaccin…

> We're rocketing towards a new civil war if you ask me.

The culture war was fabricated by billionaires. Stop listening to their stooges.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by paulryanrogers » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 11:17 PM UTC

maerF0x0 wrote: post #759

beloch wrote: post #489

"The transition to endemic COVID-19 is also a psychological one. When everyone has some immunity, a COVID-19 diagnosis becomes as routine as diagnosis of strep or flu—not good news, but not a reason for particular fear or worry or embarrassment either. That means unlearning a year of messaging that said COVID-19 was not just a flu. If the confusion around the CDC dropping mask recommendations for the vaccinated earli…

> and a unusually contagious and deadly mutant will always be a possibility. Is this not the case with other existing virus' like the flu? Yet people choose to go on with daily activities, even bringing it to the office just to feel (self?) important ...

Possibly, though how often has a routine flu strain become a pandemic that overwhelms hospitals?

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by BoxOfRain » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 11:18 PM UTC

h3cate wrote: post #249

gunshai wrote: post #228

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Why is this unpopular.

Post it on twitter/reddit and see what response you get

To be fair, expecting reasonable responses from Twitter on any subject is a bit like panning for gold in an open sewer. The platform's whole premise is compressing things to the point it's the place on the internet nuance goes to die.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by spaced-out » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 11:24 PM UTC

mewpmewp2 wrote: post #706

vlunkr wrote: post #653

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I don't disagree about name-calling, but the responsible thing to do is to adapt your opinions as new knowledge is revealed, not everyone is doing that.

You can never convince someone by calling them stupid, selfish, irresponsible or in general blaming them. All you will do is create hatred toward yourself as well as your viewpoint and further the disagreement. Best way to convince someone is to make them think it was their idea all along. At this point, I figure much of the anti vax crowd may be actively hoping something would go wrong here, due to the hate they are…

> You can never convince someone by calling them stupid, selfish, irresponsible or in general blaming them. All you will do is create hatred toward yourself as well as your viewpoint and further the disagreement.

Who's calling them stupid? I don't recall any politicians or government health officials calling anyone stupid. Sure, there are people on Facebook/Twitter/etc... name-calling, but that's always been the case, and there's plenty of it on both sides.

Re: The Coronavirus Is Here Forever

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Post by Domenic_S » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 11:25 PM UTC

monkeydreams wrote: post #740

partiallypro wrote: post #685

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must be joking? As bad as (some) Republicans are let's not forget Biden, Harris, Schumer, etc saying they wouldn't take the "Trump Vaccine." Not only did that put distrust into the hearts of people on the left, it also gave ammunition for the people on the right. It should have never been a political issue. Unfortunately this is a bipartisan problem (though right now it's more prevalent on the right, I suspect if…

> let's not forget Biden, Harris, Schumer, etc saying they wouldn't take the "Trump Vaccine." Could you point me in the direction of a source on this? I have done my own research and pulled up absolutely nothing. Actually that's inaccurate. I pulled up a BUNCH of 2020 articles where Biden talks about inadequate vaccination orders, etc. But I'd be interested in seeing the basis of your claims.

[editing out because someone beat me to it!]